# Hello Universe? Can we get some better Trump defenders on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663 "2019-12-31T13:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/201 "2020-01-03T16:22:18Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Those should be two separate sentences. > More what - more rage? I don’t think that’s possible. More intelligence? Same answer. > > Regards, > Shodan Missing word, you cowardly fuckwit. You’re a hateful little toad, so you weasel and hint and suggest, always assuming others are as dishonest as you are. Go ahead. Try and criticize that sentence while you ignore the actual meaning of it, which is that you are an aging edgelord without the spine to be direct. More rage? At the guy who attacks my service after that now-demonstrably-false apology from you? More _intelligence?_ If you consider yourself intelligent, then why are you not intelligent enough to drop that pretense of goid faith that everybody sees through? You do these drive bys, look for misplaced commas and typos, sneer as if you have a great point to make, and then scuttle away when you finally go too far and get nailed for it. You then wait till you think it’s blown over, then slither back, looking for your next victim. This sums up Republican “men” to me. You don’t have the guts to fight openly because you know your beliefs are indefensible, but you cling to them because they’re the only things that make you feel remotely adequate. You offer nothing substantive, just constant drivebys here and there, after which you scurry away. [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/mitch-mcconnell-judges-225455](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/mitch-mcconnell-judges-225455) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/202 "2020-01-03T17:09:14Z")
The squalid, craven little rodent isn’t capable of admitting when he’s wrong. His fragile ego couldn’t bear it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/203 "2020-01-03T17:56:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How did he violate the constitution again in a way that previous unimpeached presidents have not? Please explain how he has so clearly violated the constitution that Republican politicians are duty bound to vote against their own party? In the act of taking the oath of office, he perjured himself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/204 "2020-01-03T17:58:56Z")
When the Bible started to smolder when he put his hand on it, that should have tipped us off right there. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/205 "2020-01-03T18:54:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This statement is unclear - are you asserting that Congress paid off hundreds of thousands of dollars of debts for Kavanaugh? > I suspect Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan would not agree with what you mention above. > [Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain’t over now!](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=German%27s%20bombed%20Pearl%20Harbor) > > Regards, > Shodan You should really change your handle to something like **Pasquale** , or **Jimbo** , or **Clem**. You don’t deserve to share the name of a character from a fine product such as “Schlock Mercenary”; a piece of crap like “Rose is Rose” is more your speed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/206 "2020-01-03T18:58:35Z")
Actually, a _shodan_ is the first black belt rank in flower arrangement, with an emphasis on its combat applications. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/207 "2020-01-03T19:02:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Actually, a _shodan_ is the first black belt rank in flower arrangement, with an emphasis on its combat applications. Pretty sure he reads the webcomic and took his handle from there (the color of his belt notwithstanding). ---
**Author:** ![Anxious\_Squirrel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anxious_squirrel/32/1083_2.png) [@Anxious\_Squirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anxious_Squirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/208 "2020-01-03T20:12:20Z")
I’m surrounded by xtian conservatives, so I get to hear their views all the damn time. For folks like my dad they like Trump because he is pro-Israel, and they believe that America being Pro-Israel is the only thing keeping us together as a prosperous nation. According to Jack Chick theology, every nation that turns against God’s Chosen People get turned away from and they don’t get to be the number one nation anymore. He also likes the deregulation, and that Trump seems pretty xtian friendly. He’s never mentioned supreme court judges, so I don’t think he really cares about that. He did hate Hilary very much. Strong women with power are extremely threatening to him. He is also very frightened of trans and gay people, and feels there’s a huge gender war going on. He sees the world as a terrifying, demented place where right has become wrong and up is now down. He wants it to return to a time when white male Christians had privilege, literal Biblical creation was taught in schools, men and women had their assigned roles via assigned genitals and everyone knew their place. He doesn’t believe in man made climate change cos only God can control the weather. Tornadoes and other disasters are God’s judgement. The wickeder this world becomes the worse those things will be. He also thinks God is going to burn the whole world up and recreate it one day after the tribulation period where things are gonna get way worse than anyone can imagine, so worrying about trying to save the planet is useless. So he likes how anti-science Trump is, as they share a similar grasp of it. He also hates and fears Muslims, so any killing of those people is a good thing in his book. He doesn’t really talk about the wars though. He is mostly focused on Israel, the rapture, and the gender and culture war. against Bible believing Christians, who are all going to be rounded up and shot one of these days, he is sure. He is also a budding conspiracy theorist and believes whatever he reads on the internet. Like a few months ago he was breathlessly telling my mom about how Hilary Clinton is really a man because he read it. On the internet. But he only believes stuff that comes from right wing sources. I’m not sure intelligence and Trump support really go together. Trump support is purely emotionally based. And you cannot rationally or intelligently defend emotion. I’m voting for him because I’m scared or angry and I want revenge isn’t something most of them will tell you, but it’s the only right answer. IMO ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/209 "2020-01-03T20:41:18Z")
I can’t think of the name for this but there’s a rule for how to ask questions in software that it’s important to provide your history and what you’re actually trying to achieve at the high level. The problem is that if you don’t understand the basics then, when you try to solve your own problem, you go down a bizarre path and end up getting stuck on something there. Like, you forgot the combination to your electronic safe, so you decide that you need to short circuit the system because that might cause it to release, so you get on the local elections DIY website and ask people what thickness of rubber you need for your gloves to hack into the wall outlet. Subsequently, the DIY people spend a hundred messages trying to get the guy to hire an electrician, but he keeps refusing because he’d “rather just buy a drill if he needs to go to the next level”. And then after much angst and confusion, a safe is finally mentioned, a few people have a gear click, and eventually they’re able to show the guy how to look up the factory manual on the maker’s website. Now, thinking further about **EasyPhil** ’s purported anti-privacy violations deal, I realize that there is some chance that we’re dealing with that sort of situation. Phil, do you mind simply explaining what in the world you think needs to happen in the world? Who is good, who is bad, what things you fear might happen if we don’t do X, etc.? Let’s not get lost in minutiae. Go broad and let us have it. Who are you? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/210 "2020-01-03T21:12:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Bigger policy objectives? I just retired from a firm where the most popular bumper sticker was a variation of the unauthorized “Calvin taking a piss”, only instead of Calvin’s face it is Trump’s and he is pissing on someone labeled as a “liberal”. A lot of people didn’t like Clinton either. But the reason a lot of conservatives support Trump is because he has been checking enough of the boxes that conservatives want checked (particularly judicial nominees) that they are willing to turn a blind eye to the racism. If you are Republican, you have been turning a blind eye to subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) racism for decades and you have been telling yourself that it’s OK because Republicans denounced and repudiated the worst of the racists. It’s not a huge leap to go without that fig leaf when Trump seems like he might be able to deliver a generation long conservative majority on the supreme court. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/211 "2020-01-03T21:14:02Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > That figures, as there are good people on both sides… oh, wait! ☹ Right. because that is EXACTLY what I said :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/212 "2020-01-03T21:59:08Z")
> [@TheMysteryWriter](#): > > I’m surrounded by xtian conservatives, so I get to hear their views all the damn time. For folks like my dad they like Trump because he is pro-Israel, and they believe that America being Pro-Israel is the only thing keeping us together as a prosperous nation. According to Jack Chick theology, every nation that turns against God’s Chosen People get turned away from and they don’t get to be the number one nation anymore. Don’t the fundies only want Israel around for their Rapture? Once that happens, Israel gets wiped off the map. I wonder how these Rapture folks feel about the Nazis running under the Repub banner. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/213 "2020-01-03T23:52:59Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Trump used the might and power of the office of the President of the United States to withhold military funding and weapons from a small nation being occupied by the forces of his great pal, Vladimir Putin. (If your standard of guilt for Repubs requires crystal clear confessions it’s a striking change from the way you guys treat Republican false accusations against Dems.) Hanging over the conversation was Putin, whose enemies and critics have a marked tendency to suddenly drop dead. Once again, not everyone that disagrees with you is a Republican. You are deliberately shrinking the size of your tent to people who think exactly like you. This is how you lose elections. The recording looked real bad from where I was standing, it is inappropriate to suggest a foreign power investigate a political opponent. But it’s not treason, it’s not unconstitutional. It’s not enough that a Republican politician has to vote for impeachment. We do not remove democratically elected presidents because left wing nuts like you feel very strongly that we should do so. > [@](#): > > And now, after Trump abandoned the Kurds to be slaughtered, what form would such threats take? No idea what you are talking about here but conservatives I know were all pretty upset about that but not upset enough to abandon the guy that put Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the court and may very well put RBG and Breyer’s replacements on the court > [@](#): > > Eleven people died while Trump jerked Zelensky around. 11 Americans? Or are Republican politicians honor bound to impeach their own president because Ukrainian soldiers died fighting for Ukraine because we didn’t help them quickly enough? Are you suggesting that those deaths would not have occurred if Trump went ahead with the aid? > [@](#): > > Why is that not bad enough? You’ll have to ask the Republican congressmen but I suspect they do not share your beliefs on many things, including the threshhold that must be met to impeach a Republican president. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/214 "2020-01-03T23:54:36Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I don’t know how to break it to you or other Republicans, but the impeachment is as inevitable as anything that already happened. Trump was impeached. What we’re talking about is the sentencing phase. Yes, I mistyped. Replace impeachment with outcome in that sentence. And I’m not a Republican. Once again, not everyone that doesn’t conform to the hive mind here is a republican. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/215 "2020-01-03T23:59:53Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > [Trump impeachment: A very simple guide](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39945744) > > The US constitution states a president “shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanours”. > > A rough transcript of the call revealed that Mr Trump had urged President Zelensky to investigate discredited allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden. > > The call came shortly after Mr Trump had blocked the release of millions of dollars in US military aid to Ukraine. A senior official later testified that the president made clear the release of the aid was conditional on Mr Biden being investigated, but the White House denies this. > > In a series of public hearings, a procession of US officials have testified that there was a White House shadow foreign policy led by the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. > > Its aim was to get Ukraine to open an investigation into the Bidens and declare as much publicly. > > * * * > > Strong-arming a foreign country to investigate a political rival sounds pretty heinous, don’t you think? Every past president that supported sanctions or withheld aid did so to oppose countries that violate human rights, not to gain leverage for his own personal gains. Never mind Trump’s intentions. He’s clearly ignorant of the law and the Constitution (except for the part about guns) and should be fired for utter incompetence. > > Oh that’s right, you only see “liberal echo chamber.” If it was up to me we would have removed Trump about 6 months into his presidency but it’s not up to me. And it’s certainly not up to this liberal echo chamber. It’s up to congress to decide if what he did was bad enough to be removed from office. If you honestly don’t recognize that this site is a liberal echo chamber then you are too far gone to be any good to anyone. Just keep your mouth shut in public so you don’t scare away the moderates. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/216 "2020-01-04T00:03:33Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Fuck it, I ain’t editing. > > [McConnell bragging about he stole vacant judicial sears from Obama. .](https://www.theroot.com/mitch-mcconnell-is-a-not-so-silent-but-deadly-old-far-1840415305) > > Shodan will now, of course, pretend to be confused and ask, “But whatever could you possibly mean?” > > This shit----from a guy several decades past adolescent edgelorditude----is why I despise conservatives. I hope each and every one of them finds themselves experiencing all the treatment they wished on others as evinced by the scummy politicians they defend. I don’t believe it was ever any secret what McConnell was doing when he refused to hold a vote for Garlock. Just like it’s never really been a secret what the Democrats were doing by pushing the rape charges against Kavanaugh. It might have happened, it might not have happened but it was purely politically motivated, but they’re politicians and that’s what politicians do. But at least they drop it after the possibility of political advantage has passed. You seem to continue to think that Kavanaugh is a rapist based on one person’s testimony and the “concern” expressed by a bunch of politicians. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/217 "2020-01-04T00:19:15Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Once again, not everyone that disagrees with you is a Republican. You are deliberately shrinking the size of your tent to people who think exactly like you. This is how you lose elections. How RUDE to demand the facts. 1. Trump demanded a favor from the new president of Ukraine. 2. Trump slobbers all over Putin every chance he gets. 3. Ukraine is a small country. 4. Putin invaded Ukraine. 5. Whatever you’re yapping about with regard to those 11people, you’re either being unbelievably obtuse or just exhibiting more of that Reichwing bad faith. Whine more about how you’re not a Trump supporter, somehow you only defend him. 6. Trump linked aid to Ukraine inventing crap about the Bidens. 7. He held onto the aid until Ukraine agreed to attack the Bidens. And to willfully omit that Repubs throw hundreds of thousands of ONLY Dem voters off the rolls, that they gerrymander districts into ludicrous configurations to give them the numbers, and that Russia helped steal the election is Pizzagate/climate change denial-level rejection of reality. > [@](#): > > We do not remove democratically elected presidents because left wing nuts like you feel very strongly that we should do so. He wasn’t lawfully elected, asshole. Left wing nut? On the ignore list you go. > [@](#): > > 11 Americans? Or are Republican politicians honor bound to impeach their own president because Ukrainian soldiers died fighting for Ukraine because we didn’t help them quickly enough? > > Are you suggesting that those deaths would not have occurred if Trump went ahead with the aid? Yeah, of course not, you twit, I just like introducing random facts about, oh, _Sri Lanka_ while I’m talking about _Ukraine._ > [@](#): > > You’ll have to ask the Republican congressmen but I suspect they do not share your beliefs on many things, including the threshhold that must be met to impeach a Republican president. Trump is evil and a blatant traitor. Anybody who defends him is a hypocrite, a liar, a traitor, and/or irredeemably stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/218 "2020-01-04T00:33:53Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Well, OP answered. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ExXfWtZRxZ4/hqdefault.jpg "Michael J. Fox flips out on a Congressman in "The American President"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExXfWtZRxZ4) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/219 "2020-01-04T00:45:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The recording looked real bad from where I was standing, it is inappropriate to suggest a foreign power investigate a political opponent. But it’s not treason, it’s not unconstitutional. I’m curious what definition of “Constitutional” you’re operating under? Short of taking the stance that anything is Constitutional so long as you can get 34 Senators to decide not to impeach you, and the list of impeachable acts is just flowery talk that’s not meant to be taken _literally_, I find it hard to envision making a serious argument that we’re in Constitutionally-approved territory on this one. I mean, I grant that Biblical interpretation has probably stayed farther from the text and historical meaning than you what you seem to be suggesting, but that’s a a pretty dire catastrophe. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/220 "2020-01-04T01:06:03Z")
> [@margin](#): > > The way I read it, he had debts of: > $60,000–to $200,000, which given that he’s him, strikes me as an attempt to obfuscate, so I’m going to lean toward the higher figure; > the $92,000 country club fee—which was more than his entire salary at some points; > the, what, $250,000 down payment on the house; > the tens of thousands of dollars he claims he spent on Nats tickets for “a handful of friends” (who he said paid him back) > but he paid all this off very suddenly. > There’s also mention of nonspecific “home repairs”. > If family helped him, why on earth would he not say so? The fact that he did not do so makes me wonder why not. > > At one point, then, he somehow had to come up with approximately $342,000 dollars. Is that _in addition_ to the credit card debt? Or is it part of it? I think that is probably the total. His parents are fairly affluent. He wouldn’t be the first guy to get bailed out by really rich parents. > [@](#): > > At the very least, there are tax implications, aren’t there? Not really. The UGTI exemption is something like 11 million dollars now. Inter-generational transfers of wealth are almost entirely tax free now except for the obscenely wealthy. It’s funny, I still see moderately wealthy people engaging in tax planning when the need for such tax planning has effectively evaporated for almost everyone. > [@](#): > > Did he put the down payment, the country club entrance fee plus the yearly dues and the school tuitions on credit cards? The country club fee is $9000 a year; the two school tuitions are approximately $21,000 per year. If he’s putting those on credit cards every year, those add up fast. He was a partner at a Kirkland & Ellis for several years. > [@](#): > > Given the way he lied through his teeth to Congress, I wonder what else he’s lying about. It’s that disingenuous, [“No, sir, the Devil’s Triangle” is not sexual," type of ruse.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/09/24/business/brett-kavanaugh-yearbook-renate.amp.html) A kid who bragged about boofing, kegs, and being a “Renate alumnus” was not a[shy, studious, choir boy.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=FFFFFFFourth%2bof%2bJuly&=true) > > Whatever his finances, he carried those credit card debts till shortly before Trump nominated him to the SCOTUS, after which they abruptly disappeared. Do you honestly think you caught something that the Democratic party missed? If there was something fishy or corrupt about how that debt got paid off, you wouldn’t have to guess about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=12)