# Hello Universe? Can we get some better Trump defenders on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663 "2019-12-31T13:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/221 "2020-01-04T01:10:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Maybe try being less of a dick from time to time. Is that possible, or same answer? Yes, clearly. Shodan is being the biggest prick on this thread. You’re right to focus on him for his tone and behavior. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/222 "2020-01-04T01:12:30Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > In the act of taking the oath of office, he perjured himself. The oath of office is about stuff you will do in the future. How do you perjure yourself about something that hasn’t happened yet? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/223 "2020-01-04T01:13:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, clearly. Shodan is being the biggest prick on this thread. You’re right to focus on him for his tone and behavior. :rolleyes: If you have a better nominee, at least have the guts to name names. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/224 "2020-01-04T01:14:17Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Pretty sure he reads the webcomic and took his handle from there (the color of his belt notwithstanding). Doesn’t he teach tae kwon do in the midwest somewhere (maybe texas)? Or am I thinking of another poster? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/225 "2020-01-04T01:14:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The oath of office is about stuff you will do in the future. How do you perjure yourself about something that hasn’t happened yet? The oath of office only pertains to what you did _before_ you took the oath? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/226 "2020-01-04T01:34:10Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Pretty sure he reads the webcomic and took his handle from there (the color of his belt notwithstanding). I dunno, I always assumed it was a reference to the murderously insane ranting AI from _System Shock_. Seemed fitting. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/227 "2020-01-04T01:43:28Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The oath of office only pertains to what you did _before_ you took the oath? :rolleyes: We could fiddle with that oath. Make it about past practices, put some retrospective and some prospective words in there, put an ejector seat in that oval office. Make America great again. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/228 "2020-01-04T01:44:46Z")
> [@margin](#): > > How RUDE to demand the facts. Were you demaninding facts of me or are you saying that I am being rude for demanding facts of you? > [@](#): > > 1. Trump demanded a favor from the new president of Ukraine. > 2. Trump slobbers all over Putin every chance he gets. > 3. Ukraine is a small country. > 4. Putin invaded Ukraine. I don’t really disagree with any of the above. > [@](#): > > 1. Whatever you’re yapping about with regard to those 11people, you’re either being unbelievably obtuse or just exhibiting more of that Reichwing bad faith. Whine more about how you’re not a Trump supporter, somehow you only defend him. This thread literally asks for defenses of Trump. The fact of the matter is that you are irrelevant. I can predict your political behavior no matter what the facts are. You are effectively the flip side of all the right wing folks you purport to detest. > [@](#): > > 1. Trump linked aid to Ukraine inventing crap about the Bidens. It’s not all invented. Biden’s son Hunter is an embarassment. It’s a small wonder that he and Trump aren’t whoring buddies. It sounds horrible but the wrong Biden son died young. > [@](#): > > 1. He held onto the aid until Ukraine agreed to attack the Bidens. First, I’m pretty sure the aid got released 2 days after the investigations into the aid began. Second, do you understand the difference between illegal and unconstitutional? Do you understand that it’s not illegal just because you say it is? He has an excuse. I don’t find it particularly credible but his excuse was that he was concerned about corruption. > [@](#): > > The money was already designated as Ukraine’s by Congress and by law once that happens it’s not supposed to be trifled with. Of course it can be trifled with. It can certainly be delayed a couple of months if the president thinks it’s all just going into the pockets of corrupt government officials (not saying that’s what was happening but that’s their excuse). > [@](#): > > IT’S FUCKING EXTORTION. Much of foreign policy is extortion. Some of it is permissible, some of it is not. > [@](#): > > And finally, it’s Trump using the fucking office against somebody who’s a personal enemy, but who has no policy significance. Once again, not enough to force a Republican to impeach a Republican president. > [@](#): > > And to willfully omit that Repubs throw hundreds of thousands of ONLY Dem voters off the rolls, that they gerrymander districts into ludicrous configurations to give them the numbers, and that Russia helped steal the election is Pizzagate/climate change denial-level rejection of reality. Willfully? I can’t respond to every demented sidebar rant you throw out there. WTF does gerrymandering have to do with this conversation? Should we talk about who REALLY authored the shakespeare sonnets next? > [@](#): > > He wasn’t lawfully elected, asshole. Left wing nut? On the ignore list you go. Wow. After all the shit you called me, you are getting the vapors at being called a left wing nut? I don’t know if you can see this but I’d really like to know why you think Trump was not lawfully elected? Did he cheat during the debates like Hillary? Did his party try to throw the nomination his way and undermine other republican candidates like the DNC did with Hillary? Or are you just one of those guys that cries that it’s not fair whenever you lose? > [@](#): > > Yeah, of course not, you twit, I just like introducing random facts about, oh, _Sri Lanka_ while I’m talking about _Ukraine._ So I don’t really read these boards enough but is margin mentally unstable or something? Because this is really starting to sound mentally unstable. Sri Lanka? Was something I wrote a non sequitor? Or is this just what SDMB liberals look like these days? > [@](#): > > Trump is evil and a blatant traitor. Anybody who defends him is a hypocrite, a liar, a traitor, and/or irredeemably stupid. Trump may be evil. He may even be a traitor. But how is defending him hypocritical when they are asked to present defenses of him? Seriously. Is margin mentally unstable? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/229 "2020-01-04T01:52:21Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’m curious what definition of “Constitutional” you’re operating under? > > Short of taking the stance that anything is Constitutional so long as you can get 34 Senators to decide not to impeach you, and the list of impeachable acts is just flowery talk that’s not meant to be taken _literally_, I find it hard to envision making a serious argument that we’re in Constitutionally-approved territory on this one. If you’re going to read the constitutionality of something so narrowlyu then, a standing army isn’t constitutionally approved either. Neither is a federal minimum wage or protection of abortion rights. We have come a long way since anyone felt that government action had to be approved by the constitution. The general consensus is that the government canengage in behavior that isn’t prohibited by the constitution. So is what Trump did prohibited by the constitution? Can you point to the part of the constitution that prohibits that behavior? As reprehensible as it is, where does he run afoul? > [@](#): > > I mean, I grant that Biblical interpretation has probably stayed farther from the text and historical meaning than you what you seem to be suggesting, but that’s a a pretty dire catastrophe. Ummm biblical? catastrophe? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/230 "2020-01-04T01:54:24Z")
“I see left wing nuts” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/231 "2020-01-04T01:54:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you have a better nominee, at least have the guts to name names. Was I being too coy? Margin has been a raging asshole way in excess of what Shodan has exhibited on this thread. Perhaps he is being given a pass because he is in fact mentally unstable and I never got the memo or perhaps it’s because this site is Arrakis for conservatives like Shodan and Disneyland for liberals like margin. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/232 "2020-01-04T01:55:57Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The oath of office only pertains to what you did _before_ you took the oath? :rolleyes: Work on your reading comprehension :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/233 "2020-01-04T02:06:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If you’re going to read the constitutionality of something so narrowlyu then, a standing army isn’t constitutionally approved either. Neither is a federal minimum wage or protection of abortion rights. > > We have come a long way since anyone felt that government action had to be approved by the constitution. The general consensus is that the government canengage in behavior that isn’t prohibited by the constitution. > > So is what Trump did prohibited by the constitution? Can you point to the part of the constitution that prohibits that behavior? As reprehensible as it is, where does he run afoul? The government and the man are separate things. The President certainly does have room to go against the demands of Congress, within the course of his duties. And if that was the issue, you would have a point and I do take that, that is your point. But I say that it is inconceivable to think that the writers of the Constitution empowered corruption nor that they ever thought that corruption would somehow be non-impeachable nor that there is some vague interpretation of the Constitution which one can expand to go, “Yup, corruption = Okay”. Before even getting into any sort of textual or historical analysis, would that pass the smell test for you? ---
**Author:** ![neofishboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/neofishboy/32/444_2.png) [@neofishboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neofishboy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/234 "2020-01-04T02:53:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Was I being too coy? Margin has been a raging asshole way in excess of what Shodan has exhibited on this thread. Perhaps he is being given a pass because he is in fact mentally unstable and I never got the memo or perhaps it’s because this site is Arrakis for conservatives like Shodan and Disneyland for liberals like margin. She’s a veteran who’s been treated for PTSD. A fact that **Shodan** takes great delight in mocking her for. Shorter version: Go get fucked you sniveling piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/235 "2020-01-04T03:08:32Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > The government and the man are separate things. The President certainly does have room to go against the demands of Congress, within the course of his duties. And if that was the issue, you would have a point and I do take that, that is your point. > > But I say that it is inconceivable to think that the writers of the Constitution empowered corruption nor that they ever thought that corruption would somehow be non-impeachable nor that there is some vague interpretation of the Constitution which one can expand to go, “Yup, corruption = Okay”. > > Before even getting into any sort of textual or historical analysis, would that pass the smell test for you? Not for me, but it does for the Republican congressmen. Trump is making the argument that his request delay was not the result of HIS corruption but the result of UKRAINIAN corruption. I don’t believe it so if you would like to appoint me king, I would remove him and let Pence take his place. But it takes more than that to convince Republican congressmen to vote to impeach a Republican president especially in the current hyper partisan environment. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/236 "2020-01-04T03:19:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not for me, but it does for the Republican congressmen. > > Trump is making the argument that his request delay was not the result of HIS corruption but the result of UKRAINIAN corruption. I don’t believe it so if you would like to appoint me king, I would remove him and let Pence take his place. But it takes more than that to convince Republican congressmen to vote to impeach a Republican president especially in the current hyper partisan environment. Fair enough. But I will note that you were previously saying “in your definition”. You’ve now switched that around to “Republicans in Congress’ actions”. To quote: > [@](#): > > The recording looked real bad from where I was standing, it is inappropriate to suggest a foreign power investigate a political opponent. But it’s not treason, it’s not unconstitutional. It is unconstitutional. Whether the conviction will successfully be brought to fruition by the fucktards in Congress be as it may, it _was_ an unconstitutional activity. And the fucktards are breaking their oaths if they fail to convict. (I’ll also note that besides corruption, Congress also has the clear and Constitutional right to Oversight, and that is also in the impeachment writ.) ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/237 "2020-01-04T03:31:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If it was up to me we would have removed Trump about 6 months into his presidency but it’s not up to me. And it’s certainly not up to this liberal echo chamber. It’s up to congress to decide if what he did was bad enough to be removed from office. > > If you honestly don’t recognize that this site is a liberal echo chamber then you are too far gone to be any good to anyone. Just keep your mouth shut in public so you don’t scare away the moderates. You just gotta remain faithful to that label, don’t ya? Just like the way you don’t support Republicans and it’s obviously a “Get Out of Hell Free” card you’re holding on to. If Trump does get shitcanned, you can say “See? I’m on the winning side! I’m one of you!” That’s such a transparent fucking hedge. If this is a liberal echo chamber, how do you think it started? Do you think a bunch of liberal nogoodniks secretly email each other and agree to spam this message board with identical leftist creeds? What about you and other conservatives who share the same opinion? Are you a conservative echo chamber? “But I’m not a conservative. I’m a liberal who echoes conservative talking points/ I’m just like you and I see nothing wrong with sucking Trump’s cock.” Quit insulting our intelligence. We haven’t bought your self-denial schtick ever. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/238 "2020-01-04T04:31:13Z")
At the risk of onerous derailing, darned if I can think of a less :eek:hivey:eek: site than this one. (Of this size). ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/239 "2020-01-04T04:47:06Z")
Shit. I meant to say odious, not onerous. Fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/240 "2020-01-04T04:58:48Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Much of foreign policy is extortion. Some of it is permissible, some of it is not. Foreign policy involves the goals and benefit of the country. Not the man in the foreign policy chair. Don’t you even try calling what Trump did “foreign policy”. It was _selling out_ foreign policy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=13)