# Hello Universe? Can we get some better Trump defenders on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663 "2019-12-31T13:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/261 "2020-01-05T00:54:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I am saying she is doing the best she can, unfortunately. > > Regards, > Shodan This type of assholishness is your basic Republican tactic. Another nasty remark from this spincter, just to be a spiteful little fuck. The worst I can do is leagues above your best. You act like typos give you superiority. You scrabble for commas and semi colons and act like a nasty teenage girl with a slam book. And then you hide till you feel safe in creeping back. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/262 "2020-01-05T00:59:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You seem to continue to think that Kavanaugh is a rapist based on one person’s testimony and the “concern” expressed by a bunch of politicians. Again, get the GOP to adopt that standard with regard to Hillary and you can get all pissy. Bugger off till then, wankstain. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/263 "2020-01-05T01:22:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t find it particularly credible but his excuse was that he was concerned about corruption. Yes, the madam of the whorehouse was calling someone else slutty. > [@](#): > > Much of foreign policy is extortion. Maybe in Gilead or Trumpworld. > [@](#): > > Wow. After all the shit you called me, you are getting the vapors at being called a left wing nut? You’ve made repeated reference to “liberal echo chambers” and I am not the only person to call you on it. “Getting the vapors” is yet another dogwhistle for the concept of “hysteria.” It is not gender neutral. “Getting the vapors” calls to mind a corseted lady swooning to her fainting couch. > [@](#): > > Seriously. Is margin mentally unstable? How odd that you only seem to find anything unseemly when it’s a woman being sarcastic. Just coincidence, I’m sure. Calling a woman nuts, crazy, hysterical, mentally unstable, is part of the proud tradition of sexist assholes choosing to label themselves and other men logical while calling women emotional. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/264 "2020-01-05T02:24:03Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > What’s the rate in the non-secret courts? They hardly ever deny those, either. In 2018, 2937 wiretaps were authorized nationwide. 2 were denied. > **[Wiretap Report 2018](https://www.uscourts.gov/statistics-reports/wiretap-report-2018)** I’m sure prosecutors know exactly what to say to get their warrant requests approved. And I’m sure they say it and I’m sure that what they present is not always the complete and unslanted truth. And if the judge picks up on deficiencies or omissions in the application, they are allowed to keep revising and resubmitting. The above article doesn’t have any clear data on the rate of approval of extension requests. It does mention that 1355 extensions were granted, and if I’m reading the article correctly, that does not count multiple consecutive extensions of the same order. But it doesn’t mention any rejected requests. It’s an interesting report in general, 6 states account for 80% of all wiretapping requests, almost half of all requests are from NY and CA. But the bar is just not very high for ANYONE, which is my point. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/265 "2020-01-05T04:17:12Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > But the bar is just not very high for ANYONE, which is my point. What percentage of crimes go unsolved (or unprosecuted)? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/266 "2020-01-05T04:25:54Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Well to be fair, I was saying why we don’t get many conservative voices on here- and I stand by that- you can’t have a discussion about philosophy and policy if one side or the other persists in arguing it from a moral stance perspective. Why the hell not? Political philosophies are often about morals. And the policies are often putting those morals into practice. For instance, there is no discussion about abortion rights without discussing morality. That’s all it’s based on. If morals weren’t in the way, no one would care if you got an abortion or didn’t get one. It’s only because one side thinks it is wrong that there is any debate. The only way to convince people that it should be illegal is to convince them that it is so wrong that we need to make a law preventing it. The abortion debate either means discussing morality or discussing nothing at all. The same is true of much of politics these days. Remove the moral component, and there is no more debate on racism, on homosexuality, on transgenderism, etc. I’m not even entirely sure what the differences in left and right are if you remove morality. Even stuff like “bigger government” vs. “smaller government” is based on certain values–some are willing to give up more freedom to deal with injustice, while others are willing to have some injustice for greater freedom. Both of those are moral calculations. Where I think the problem is is not making these moral arguments. It’s when they are used as thought terminating cliches. However, I can’t blame one side for this. The pro-life side does this the same as the pro-choice side, for instance. Real moral arguments involve balancing disparate moral concerns, not asserting that one moral concern is the only one that matters. At the very least, you have to show why that one concern is the more important one. You know, argument and debate. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/267 "2020-01-05T05:21:28Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I can’t think of the name for this but there’s a rule for how to ask questions in software that it’s important to provide your history and what you’re actually trying to achieve at the high level. > **[XY problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem)** > > The XY problem is a communication problem encountered in help desk, technical support, software engineering, or customer service situations where the question is about an end user's attempted solution (X) rather than the root problem itself (Y or Why?). > The XY problem obscures the real issues and may even introduce secondary problems that lead to miscommunication, resource mismanagement, and sub-par solutions. The solution for the support personnel is to ask probing questions as to why the infor... ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/268 "2020-01-05T09:24:09Z")
To me ‘Shodan’ means an ‘expert Go player.’ When he and I were still on speaking terms I called fuckwit ‘Ten-Kyu’ — that’s the term for a Go player so bad that a Shodan can beat him even with a nine-stone handicap. **Hurricane** and **Annoying** were such assholes that I actually took **Shodan** off of Ignore! He seemed sincere and intelligent compared with most Trumpists. But he ended up back on Ignore after just a few days. He’s far more insufferable now than he was just a few years ago. … So I appreciate being kept up-to-date on what the “better” Republicans are like: 😉 > [@margin](#): > > Missing word, you cowardly fuckwit. You’re a hateful little toad, so you weasel and hint and suggest, always assuming others are as dishonest as you are. Go ahead. Try and criticize that sentence while you ignore the actual meaning of it, which is that you are an aging edgelord without the spine to be direct. > > More rage? At the guy who attacks my service after that now-demonstrably-false apology from you? More _intelligence?_ If you consider yourself intelligent, then why are you not intelligent enough to drop that pretense of goid faith that everybody sees through? > > You do these drive bys, look for misplaced commas and typos, sneer as if you have a great point to make, and then scuttle away when you finally go too far and get nailed for it. You then wait till you think it’s blown over, then slither back, looking for your next victim. > > This sums up Republican “men” to me. You don’t have the guts to fight openly because you know your beliefs are indefensible, but you cling to them because they’re the only things that make you feel remotely adequate. You offer nothing substantive, just constant drivebys here and there, after which you scurry away. **Shodan** wasn’t this bad in the pre-Trump era, was he? I wonder which of the following is closer to the truth: (1) Creeps like **Shodan** are sincere but deluded. When their mentors like Sean Hannity or Alex Jones direct them to worship Trumpism they just think “OK, I wouldn’t but if those are the instructions …” (2) Or were they evil misogynist bastards all along, and are delighted that Trumpism lets them show their true colors? Which is it? **Shodan** , can you help us out here? > [@margin](#): > > Don’t the fundies only want Israel around for their Rapture? Once that happens, Israel gets wiped off the map. I think so. That’s one reason they’re not worried about environment or climate change: We’re approaching the End of Days anyway. IIRC, Even George W. Bush seemed to buy into Apocalyptic scenario. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The recording looked real bad from where I was standing, it is inappropriate to suggest a foreign power investigate a political opponent. But it’s not treason, it’s not unconstitutional. It’s not enough that a Republican politician has to vote for impeachment. Blah blah, IANAL, blah blah. The phone call was certainly _criminal_, and IIRC bribery (which it was) is specifically listed as impeachable in the Const. Treason? I think so, but then again IANAL. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Was I being too coy? Margin has been a raging asshole way in excess of what Shodan has exhibited on this thread. Perhaps he is being given a pass because he is in fact mentally unstable … **Margin** is a _woman_. I barely keep track of fellow Dopers (I have trouble remembering whether Damuri or D’Anconia is the stupid one 😛 ) But even _I_ knew **margin** was female. That affected her military service: she had to worry not just about bombs, but her Kavanaugh-like fellow soldiers as well. If you didn’t even know her gender, any opinion you have about **margin** is worthless. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/269 "2020-01-05T14:01:21Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … > > **Hurricane** and **Annoying** were such assholes that I actually took **Shodan** off of Ignore! He seemed sincere and intelligent compared with most Trumpists. But he ended up back on Ignore after just a few days. He’s far more insufferable now than he was just a few years ago. > > … So I appreciate being kept up-to-date on what the “better” Republicans are like: 😉 > **Shodan** wasn’t this bad in the pre-Trump era, was he? I wonder which of the following is closer to the truth: > (1) Creeps like **Shodan** are sincere but deluded. When their mentors like Sean Hannity or Alex Jones direct them to worship Trumpism they just think “OK, I wouldn’t but if those are the instructions …” > (2) Or were they evil misogynist bastards all along, and are delighted that Trumpism lets them show their true colors? > Which is it? **Shodan** , can you help us out here?.. I’m not **Shodan** but I think that, as Republican behavior becomes more indefensible, you either leave the party (we have several former Republicans posting still), you go all in (like **Jim Peebles** ) or you just have so much cognitive dissonance that the party you’re still supporting is so awful that you end up just a bundle of snark and drive-bys ( **Shodan** ) > [@](#): > > **Margin** is a _woman_. I barely keep track of fellow Dopers (I have trouble remembering whether Damuri or D’Anconia is the stupid one 😛 ) > … **D’Anconia** is the stupid one who adds almost no value except for drive-by posts. **Damuri** is the exhausting one who waits a week, then does post after post responding to every post in the last week with long essays that only occasionally have facts or address the poster. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/270 "2020-01-05T16:02:46Z")
[quote=“septimus, post:268, topic:845663”] **Shodan** wasn’t this bad in the pre-Trump era, was he? I wonder which of the following is closer to the truth: (1) Creeps like **Shodan** are sincere but deluded. When their mentors like Sean Hannity or Alex Jones direct them to worship Trumpism they just think “OK, I wouldn’t but if those are the instructions …” (2) Or were they evil misogynist bastards all along, and are delighted that Trumpism lets them show their true colors? Which is it? **Shodan** , can you help us out here? He’s always been this bad. He deliberately hangs out in liberal or feminist spaces specifically to troll, posts passive-aggressive attacks, then slithets away till it blows over. What fascinates me is that if I were not a soldier, I don’t think anybody would care. All the little sexist dogwhistles would pass unchallenged because misogyny is so normal that it fades into the wallpaper. People hate it when you call it out because it’s a case of, “Once you see it one time, you suddenly _can’t_ stop seeing it, because it is everywhere.” Trump just said the quiet parts aloud that are normally reserved for places where sexist, predatory, men congregate. He bragged about sexually assaulting women. People didn’t vote for him _in spite of_ him being a predator. They voted for him specifically _because._ A lot of Trumpie men live vicariously through him. “Not being a raging asshole” is too high a standard for them, and they resent not being able to trump Trump 24/7. They fancy themselves oppressed because they can’t force other people to live by their rules. Look at those ridiculous court cases brought by the “religious freedom” assholes. They want the “freedom” to force everybody to live by their religion, so they go around whining about issuing marriage licenses to gay couples, or the oppression of being pharmacists who _don’t_get to deny women birth control “because it’s against their religion.” It’s as if a Muslim got a job on a hog farm and demanded they switch to chickens. ``` They've been using euphemisms for their hatred for years, *and they hate it.*. And you. That hasn't changed. They used to be able to punch down without being questioned. They resent not being able to use the "n" word. They resent having to hide their hatred. Trump let them loose. ``` ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/271 "2020-01-05T19:41:11Z")
Sage Rat (emphasis in quote below mine): > [@](#): > > If there is one thing which is unambiguously banned by Jesus, Paul, **and the Old Testament** , it’s divorce. I’ll assume you mean the New Testament? The Old Testament very much provides for divorce. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/272 "2020-01-06T05:24:14Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If there is one thing which is unambiguously banned by Jesus, Paul, and the Old Testament, it’s **divorce**. There is no other thing in the whole Bible that we can be more sure of, in the text, in regards to what the Creator of you, your family, your friends, and life on Earth, than that he wants you to pick someone \* and make it work, come hell or high water\*. And you’re not even allowed to murder each other. Try knowing what you’re talking about. It’s fun. Jesus: [But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A32&version=KJV) Paul: [1 Corinthians 7](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7&version=KJV), salient point here: > [@](#): > > But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases Old Testament: [When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+24%3A1&version=KJV) > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Argue all you want about taxes, homosexuality, or anything else where religion intersects with the laws that people want to have passed or removed, it would be impossible to explain how we live in a world where there is a greater political effort to establish prayer in schools than there is to ensure that the spiritual bond between a man and a woman is never treated flippantly, never entered into for base needs, and never ever sundered. > > And that, that sounds like a joke - well, there’s human fidelity to things they don’t want to do, because of their own personal reasons, for you. The only thing the two testaments seem to agree on is that there is one unpardonable sin, but they do not agree on what that sin is. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/273 "2020-01-06T05:28:16Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Sage Rat (emphasis in quote below mine): > > I’ll assume you mean the New Testament? The Old Testament very much provides for divorce. The New Testament also provides for divorce, in two circumstances, not just one (or even zero). ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/274 "2020-01-06T05:35:09Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The New Testament also provides for divorce, in two circumstances, not just one (or even zero). > [@cmkeller](#): > > Sage Rat (emphasis in quote below mine): > > I’ll assume you mean the New Testament? The Old Testament very much provides for divorce. Oh you people and your (possibly correct) facts. I suspect that I was being uncareful with my language but would have a point if I’d added an asterisk. I’ll check what the exclusions were and update. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/275 "2020-01-06T06:09:05Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Oh you people and your (possibly correct) facts. > > I suspect that I was being uncareful with my language but would have a point if I’d added an asterisk. I’ll check what the exclusions were and update. Why don’t you change your user-name to reflect a different critter than the rodent? See if you can guess the animal I’m thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/276 "2020-01-06T15:05:07Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > **D’Anconia** is the stupid one who adds almost no value except for drive-by posts. **Damuri** is the exhausting one who waits a week, then does post after post responding to every post in the last week with long essays that only occasionally have facts or address the poster. You misspelled “Max S.” with that last sentence. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/277 "2020-01-06T15:43:44Z")
Can we move on from “You misspelled X” please? It stopped being funny when the dinosaurs shat on it. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/278 "2020-01-07T00:03:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > You misspelled “Max S.” with that last sentence. 😉 I know where you’re coming from, but **Max S.** engages much more fruitfully than **DA** , responds honestly to arguments, and has admitted error, changed his (her? Maxine?) mind. I wouldn’t put the two of them in the same bucket. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/279 "2020-01-07T14:39:53Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Fair enough. But I will note that you were previously saying “in your definition”. You’ve now switched that around to “Republicans in Congress’ actions”. > > To quote: > > It is unconstitutional. Whether the conviction will successfully be brought to fruition by the fucktards in Congress be as it may, it _was_ an unconstitutional activity. How is it unconstitutional again? I mean I have ascribed nefarious motives to trump but that might be because I generally don’t like him. But there is nothing unconstitutional to me not liking you. A reasonable person could conclude that this was not unconstitutional behavior. > [@](#): > > And the fucktards are breaking their oaths if they fail to convict. I think that Republicans by and large feel otherwise. Right now what we have is mostly hearsay. Sure Trump has prevented us from getting direct testimony but we cannot assume the worst simply because he is telling everyone not to talk to his political enemies. > [@](#): > > (I’ll also note that besides corruption, Congress also has the clear and Constitutional right to Oversight, and that is also in the impeachment writ.) This is being tried in court and it is not clear that congress will prevail. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/280 "2020-01-07T14:54:22Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > You just gotta remain faithful to that label, don’t ya? Just like the way you don’t support Republicans and it’s obviously a “Get Out of Hell Free” card you’re holding on to. If Trump does get shitcanned, you can say “See? I’m on the winning side! I’m one of you!” That’s such a transparent fucking hedge. Just because I don’t drink your brand of kool aid doesn’t make mean I’m not a liberal. By almost every metric, I am liberal just not a self-defeating, irrational, woke, SJW liberal. > [@](#): > > If this is a liberal echo chamber, how do you think it started? Do you think a bunch of liberal nogoodniks secretly email each other and agree to spam this message board with identical leftist creeds? You engage in purity tests that chase away moderates and conservatives who don’t subscribe to your brand of liberal orthodoxy. > [@](#): > > What about you and other conservatives who share the same opinion? Are you a conservative echo chamber? Do you know what an echo chamber is? Because it doesn’t sound like you do. > [@](#): > > “But I’m not a conservative. I’m a liberal who echoes conservative talking points/ I’m just like you and I see nothing wrong with sucking Trump’s cock.” Yep and according to useful tools like you, anyone that isn’t on tilt all the time is a trump fellating conservative. > [@](#): > > Quit insulting our intelligence. We haven’t bought your self-denial schtick ever. I understand. From where you are standing a moderate liberal looks like rock ribbed conservative. But that has more to do with where you are standing than where I am standing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=15)