# Hello Universe? Can we get some better Trump defenders on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663 "2019-12-31T13:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/21 "2019-12-31T16:09:23Z")
This board has chased of Bricker who is exactly the conservative you’re looking for. Even Ditka was close because at least he was honest about it point of view and tried to engage, ditka’s problem was he did laugh when the other side cried which is an honest reason people vote for trump. Now were stuck with idiot trolls until another conservative happens to wonder by which seems to take a couple of years. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/22 "2019-12-31T16:13:21Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I can see only three reasons why anyone would support this dolt He’s a conman, and he cons people into believing that he’s tough and smart and savvy, and that he cares about them and the things they care about (while his Liberal enemies are actually working against those things). And he does so in a way they find rousing and entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/23 "2019-12-31T16:16:42Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Not speaking or the OP, but I see his point. 63 million people voted for him, SOME of them must like what he’s doing, and not because they are all bigots. Do they still support him? If so, why? Those are the people I believe the OP wants. The problem is that defending what Trump is doing requires being aware of what Trump is doing. And I feel that Trump’s non-bigot base is made up of people who don’t know what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/24 "2019-12-31T16:17:46Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > This board has chased of Bricker who is exactly the conservative you’re looking for. Even Ditka was close because at least he was honest about it point of view and tried to engage, ditka’s problem was he did laugh when the other side cried which is an honest reason people vote for trump. Now were stuck with idiot trolls until another conservative happens to wonder by which seems to take a couple of years. How was he chased off? He just stopped posting. Was there some last straw that I missed? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/25 "2019-12-31T16:20:23Z")
> [@margin](#): > > It was obvious he expected to make off with the donation money, because that’s what he does. Absolutely. He is nothing but a con man, and his every action is for his own benefit. > [@](#): > > This board has chased of Bricker who is exactly the conservative you’re looking for. Even Ditka was close because at least he was honest about it point of view and tried to engage, ditka’s problem was he did laugh when the other side cried which is an honest reason people vote for trump. Now were stuck with idiot trolls until another conservative happens to wonder by which seems to take a couple of years. We’ll have to agree to disagree about Bricker. Even if you accept that he is intelligent (I don’t), I don’t think he would necessarily be among those defending Don the Con for shaking down Ukraine. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/26 "2019-12-31T16:24:11Z")
Trump has made being a conservative much more difficult. He’s co-opted and soiled the conservative brand as he does with anything he nails his gaudy name plate to. So conservatives are left with very few options when their own party has defected to become part of the MAGAcult. There are a few intelligent conservatives left on the board. **Sam Stone** comes to mind. As do **Walkin After Midnight** and **Sage Rat** , too. **Bone** until more recently. I may not often agree with them but they are thoughtful posters with a lot to contribute. Very much in contrast to fucking liars like \*\*Jim Peabrain \*\*and **slEasyPhil**. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/27 "2019-12-31T16:25:28Z")
**Bricker** was a conservative, not a Trump supporter. We’d do well to get more conservatives, too, but there are precious few of them left. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/28 "2019-12-31T16:55:44Z")
The hive is apparently schizophrenic. You all nag the mods until they obsequiously capitulate and now you whine there is no one to disagree with. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/29 "2019-12-31T17:01:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The hive is apparently schizophrenic. > > You all nag the mods until they obsequiously capitulate and now you whine there is no one to disagree with. That isn’t how I see it. Conservatives who don’t act like trolls don’t get banned. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/30 "2019-12-31T17:02:24Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > I guess the continuum is that his actions were: > -Good (policy-wise) and legal > > -Bad (policy-wise) but legal > > -Legally naughty but not so much that removal is warranted > > -Removal is warranted but we’re better off not doing it, for reasons > > -Remove him See, my point is that I’d reorder that continuum: if enough folks in the House and Senate think what he’s doing is bad for the country, well, then, vote to impeach and remove him. Didn’t somebody once note that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history? I’m just figuring that works both ways, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/31 "2019-12-31T17:05:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You all nag the mods until they obsequiously capitulate [You’re still wrong.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21991740#post21991740) “Whether or not you have the crowd behind you is irrelevant.” ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/32 "2019-12-31T17:12:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [You’re still wrong.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21991740#post21991740) “Whether or not you have the crowd behind you is irrelevant.” Whatever man. Bullshit is bullshit regardless of font color. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/33 "2019-12-31T17:21:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Whatever man. Bullshit is bullshit regardless of font color. Christ you’re a one trick whiny little cunt. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/34 "2019-12-31T17:25:22Z")
If you are pro Trump on this board , I find you are disparaged. Your opinions are wrong, you’ve been hoodwinked, racist of course, etc. not worth it. See above ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/35 "2019-12-31T17:29:30Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Christ you’re a one trick whiny little cunt. Bzzzzzzzz ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/36 "2019-12-31T17:50:38Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > If you are pro Trump on this board , I find you are disparaged. Your opinions are wrong, you’ve been hoodwinked, racist of course, etc. not worth it. If someone were to post a thoughtful, well-informed, good-faith defense of Trump here on this board, would it get a fair hearing? I don’t know; maybe not, which is a shame. But the pro-Trump posts I do remember seeing have _not_ been thoughtful, well-informed, good-faith posts. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/37 "2019-12-31T17:52:32Z")
The majority of Trump supporters are too stupid and/or ill-informed to have anything intelligible to contribute. Top GOP thinkers like Sean Hannity or Carlson Tucker can only be compared to Charles Manson or some other raving lunatic. _But there are hundreds of GOP Congresscritters, who presumably have intelligence and information!_ What do they say? AFAICT these days when questioned by any reporter other than a Fox slime-bag, their usual response is just to threaten to punch the reporter. If anyone has a link to _any_ present-day GOP Congresscritter saying _anything_ intelligent and honest, please post it. **Bricker** was an intelligent right-winger, if that term isn’t an oxymoron. IIRC his main objection to Trump was the risk of nuclear war, but with Kim and Trump all palsy now, **Bricker** is presumably delighted with Trumpism. Certainly he’s overjoyed at all the immoral shenanigans used by the GOP to suppress D voters. Right now he’d be pontificating about how 34 Senators will render Trump blameless for his crimes. > [@octopus](#): > > The hive is apparently schizophrenic. > > You all nag the mods until they obsequiously capitulate and now you whine there is no one to disagree with. Then there’s our little racist Doper too stupid to even know he’s racist. Who do you pretend that you voted for in 2016, **cephalopod**? Nitwit Johnson — did I guess right? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/38 "2019-12-31T18:04:29Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > If you are pro Trump on this board , I find you are disparaged. Your opinions are wrong, you’ve been hoodwinked, racist of course, etc. not worth it. > > See above I invite you to give a thoughtful, well constructed argument about how Trump did not do anything wrong, and in fact, his call to Ukraine was “perfect”. Open this in “Elections”, and if anyone calls you racist etc. I will be the first to report them. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/39 "2019-12-31T18:12:34Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > See, my point is that I’d reorder that continuum: if enough folks in the House and Senate think what he’s doing is bad for the country, well, then, vote to impeach and remove him. Didn’t somebody once note that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history? I’m just figuring that works both ways, is all. I don’t think it’s impossible for someone to think what he is doing is bad for the country, but that removing him from office would be worse for the country (or worse for the morally bankrupt senator voting on it, but he or she probably wouldn’t argue that.) Not that I’m convinced I could craft a compelling argument along those lines. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/40 "2019-12-31T18:22:34Z")
You guys are all just debating with the wrong posters. You should give **LAZombie** a shot. He’s really got it together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=3)