# Hello Universe? Can we get some better Trump defenders on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663 "2019-12-31T13:08:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/541 "2020-01-15T15:37:18Z")
> [@Linty\_Fresh](#): > > And that’s the actual reason we lost in 2016 and will most likely lose in November. Not because of gerrymandering. Not because of the Russians. Not because of the electoral college, and sure as _hell_ not because of society. Sigh . . . the _idiocies_ society gets blamed for! > > **QuickSilver** , the reason we’ve been losing is because too many people in this country are under the mistaken belief that the phrases I’ve bolded in that quote represent two different things. > > I’ll repeat. 80,000 votes. Hillary Clinton might have taken responsibility for it, but for damned sure, we _all_ screwed the pooch! You’re just wrong. It’s all of the things: Apathy, gerrymandering, electoral college, Russian interference campaign, HRC campaign strategy, deplorables, etc… In what rational universe do 63M voters cast their lot in with Trump given his well documented record of lying, cheating, corruption, racism and misogyny? I’ll tell you. The one where 63M are happy to actively or tacitly support that kind behavior in a POTUS. Took only a little push from around the margins to get 80K (0.06% of voters) to get Trump over the top. More effective than anyone imagined with well targeted foreign interference. The most troubling part, however, is that ~50% of those who voted thought Trump was qualified for anything other than shoveling shit from one place to another. So yeah, something is seriously wrong with a large proportion of American society. And here’s the icing on the cake. Even if a democrat wins the 2020 election because they’ve run a brilliant and inspirational campaign, ~63M will still cast a vote for Trump. Changing nothing about society, just who is momentarily in charge as POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/542 "2020-01-22T01:01:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’re just wrong. It’s all of the things: Apathy, gerrymandering, electoral college, Russian interference campaign, HRC campaign strategy, deplorables, etc… > > In what rational universe do 63M voters cast their lot in with Trump given his well documented record of lying, cheating, corruption, racism and misogyny? I’ll tell you. The one where 63M are happy to actively or tacitly support that kind behavior in a POTUS. Took only a little push from around the margins to get 80K (0.06% of voters) to get Trump over the top. More effective than anyone imagined with well targeted foreign interference. The most troubling part, however, is that ~50% of those who voted thought Trump was qualified for anything other than shoveling shit from one place to another. So yeah, something is seriously wrong with a large proportion of American society. > > And here’s the icing on the cake. Even if a democrat wins the 2020 election because they’ve run a brilliant and inspirational campaign, ~63M will still cast a vote for Trump. Changing nothing about society, just who is momentarily in charge as POTUS. Still buying into the foreign interference narrative? Clinton wasn’t as good a candidate as you think and it was clear early on that Trump had a more compelling message. You know the message is compelling when thousands show up to rallies some of them waiting for hours to get in. This is something that never happened at a Clinton event. Ask yourself, why is that? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/543 "2020-01-22T01:13:58Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Still buying into the foreign interference narrative? Clinton wasn’t as good a candidate as you think and it was clear early on that Trump had a more compelling message. You know the message is compelling when thousands show up to rallies some of them waiting for hours to get in. This is something that never happened at a Clinton event. Ask yourself, why is that? Yeah, Mr.“That-pedestrian-attacked-the-4000-lb-truck” dude. Sure. Your opinion is SO trustworthy after that demonstration of how your brain works. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/544 "2020-01-22T01:22:58Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Yeah, Mr.“That-pedestrian-attacked-the-4000-lb-truck” dude. Sure. Your opinion is SO trustworthy after that demonstration of how your brain works. Is this all you got? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/545 "2020-01-22T01:29:16Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Is this all you got? That’s all you had, remember? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/546 "2020-01-22T01:50:27Z")
Pepperidge Farm has long forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/547 "2020-01-22T03:43:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s all you had, remember? Now, now. I’m sure he hears that enough from women. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/548 "2020-01-22T16:25:20Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Still buying into the foreign interference narrative? Clinton wasn’t as good a candidate as you think and it was clear early on that Trump had a more compelling message. You know the message is compelling when thousands show up to rallies some of them waiting for hours to get in. This is something that never happened at a Clinton event. Ask yourself, why is that? Donald did indeed have a compelling message but it was a pretty terrible one. Shame on anyone who voted for it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/549 "2020-01-22T16:54:45Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Still buying into the foreign interference narrative? Clinton wasn’t as good a candidate as you think and it was clear early on that Trump had a more compelling message. You know the message is compelling when thousands show up to rallies some of them waiting for hours to get in. This is something that never happened at a Clinton event. Ask yourself, why is that? HRC was not a great candidate and she ran a poor campaign and is directly responsible for having lost to a far worse candidate. Do you know who else had giant political rallies attended by thousands of adoring followers? Then ask yourself why you’re such a fucking imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/550 "2020-01-22T18:08:56Z")
Yes **Quicksilver**. Clinton sucked. She took some bad stands, then acted like the Presidency was hers on a silver platter. Should’ve bothered to take the time to campaign, hard. She didn’t. I held my nose, and marked the little oval for her with a number two pencil, but it hurt me a lot to have to do so. -Unfortunately, that _is_ politics. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/551 "2020-01-22T18:13:36Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Still buying into the foreign interference narrative? Clinton wasn’t as good a candidate as you think and it was clear early on that Trump had a more compelling message. You know the message is compelling when thousands show up to rallies some of them waiting for hours to get in. This is something that never happened at a Clinton event. Ask yourself, why is that? You’re correct. Trump appeals to racist misogynistic assholes. Ask yourself, why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/552 "2020-01-22T18:57:19Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > How was he chased off? He just stopped posting. Was there some last straw that I missed? > [@BobLibDem](#): > > We’ll have to agree to disagree about Bricker. Even if you accept that he is intelligent (I don’t), I don’t think he would necessarily be among those defending Don the Con for shaking down Ukraine. We’ll never know what made Bricker uncomfortable here. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/553 "2020-01-22T19:08:06Z")
Or care. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/554 "2020-01-22T19:15:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > We’ll never know what made Bricker uncomfortable here. _RitterSport faints dead away_ ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/555 "2020-01-22T19:21:20Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > _RitterSport faints dead away_ When you come to, check his recent posting history (well, his past twenty-five or so). It should disabuse you of any notion that he’s actually back. He’s merely popping back into the neighborhood to fulfill an errand he committed to back in the halcyon days of yore. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/556 "2020-01-22T19:24:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > We’ll never know what made Bricker uncomfortable here. Only because you didn’t say. Instead, we get to make up our own answers. Mine is that you finally realized the futility of using rhetorical tricks and decided that your life was better spent not actually defending the indefensible. You were finding yourself defending a lot of shitty stuff out of misplaced loyalty to your party, and decided such was not who you wanted to be. I think it gives you a reasonable level of dignity, while not whitewashing your flaws. The one thing that obviously didn’t happen was that you were chased away by us being hostile to conservatives, because, no matter how bad you think it is, what hostility there is did not change before you left vs. afterwards. As always, I invite you to prove me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/557 "2020-01-22T19:33:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > We’ll never know what made Bricker uncomfortable here. I’m shocked that the reason is implied here to be “some people said mean things about me” rather than an other much more dignified or thoughtful reason. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/558 "2020-01-22T19:56:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > We’ll never know what made Bricker uncomfortable here. Citing how many posts since you left, with liberals praising you and wishing you’d return, would it take to get you back as a frequent poster? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/559 "2020-01-22T20:32:43Z")
He’s already doing it! Difference is, now, he’s thinking we begged him! ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663/560 "2020-01-22T20:45:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > HRC was not a great candidate and she ran a poor campaign and is directly responsible for having lost to a far worse candidate. > > Do you know who else had giant political rallies attended by thousands of adoring followers? Then ask yourself why you’re such a fucking imbecile. So why didn’t that “who else” get the democratic nomination??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hello-universe-can-we-get-some-better-trump-defenders-on-this-board/845663.md?page=29)