# Hell's Kitchen, and it's viewers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096 "2010-10-14T05:45:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/121 "2010-10-20T10:42:13Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I remember _American Gods_. I remember picking it up, thinking, “Oh hey, this might be pretty good.”. And then I got to the vore\* scene. This was in chapter **one** , mind you, without any warning. It wasn’t like “Just so you know this book will be really creepy at times”. It was more like “Oh hey guys howDEARGODWHATAREYOUDOING?”. Why would I want to keep reading that and how on earth could one describe it as “high-brow”? > > \*An incredibly disturbing sexual fetish where one of the partners is turned on by eating the other one mid-coitus. It deals (in part - the book has quite a few themes and aspects) with gods of old and how intensely more hardcore, disturbing and extremely literal they were compared to the bland and highly symbolic practices modern religions deal in. Back then, when a god said “here, eat of this, this is my flesh”, they di’n’t mess around with no props :p. So, yeah, it’s got some disturbing weird creepy bits (then again, it’s Gaiman. He’s got a summer house in Weird). It’s also got amusing bits. Cute bits. Touching bits. Extremely depressing bits. Some astoundingly clever bits. Very few bad or boring bits, too. It’s not all vore all the time, is what I mean. Sometimes there’s children sacrifices, too 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/122 "2010-10-20T13:11:36Z")
When I read this I was shocked! I can’t believe this could happen at Burger King! Did you complain to the maitre’ d or voice your displeasure with the chef? I hope you reported how distasteful your experience was when you filled out your customer comments card. I can’t believe they did not honour your reservation for you and your high priced camera equipment! BTW, how much did you pay for it? I know it was too expensive to just leave in your car. Of course, if you had a car then you would have used the drive through and eaten at home…oops, if you had a home you could have watched Anderson Cooper on CNN during one of the hundreds of daily repeats. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/123 "2010-10-20T15:17:27Z")
> [@Sparky812](#): > > Of course, if you had a car then you would have used the drive through and eaten at home…oops, if you had a home you could have watched Anderson Cooper on CNN during one of the hundreds of daily repeats. Why? Was he interviewing Neil Gaiman? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/124 "2010-10-20T16:27:46Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > If he isn’t pop culture in the UK, then books aren’t pop culture in the UK. Ignorance fought. Nice to know he’s got the success he deserves. > [@AutumnLeaves](#): > > Do you work in an office? Is your office like The Office? Not this one, but the last one was a desperate pit of ineptitude, backstabbing, cronyism, and passive-aggressive management. It was like the British _The Office_, only worse. > [@kidchameleon](#): > > C’mon now, [Sean Connery](http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22sean+connery%22) is more important to Lady Gaga in the history of pop culture but he only returns 1340. I agree that Gaiman is on the fringe, but to compare him to the hottest thing out there in a news search doesn’t prove much. It shows the gap. Even Sean-fucking-Connery had returns \*an order of magnitude \*larger. > [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Okay, you have caused me to finally read a Terry Pratchett book. It better be good. {glares accusingly} Once you’re done loving it, do get yourself sucked into the Discworld ones. I suggest starting with _Mort_. It’s the first one I ever read, and it’s still one of my favorites. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/125 "2010-10-21T10:32:57Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > I like what you’ve said. > My pet peeve is people who think they are brilliant and better than others but use “it’s” instead of “its”. 😉 “It’s” OK with me.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/126 "2010-10-21T18:58:15Z")
But… that’s the right _it’s_ there, **adhay**. There’s no reason for it to be in quotation marks. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/127 "2010-10-21T19:43:11Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > But… that’s the right _it’s_ there, **adhay**. There’s no reason for it to be in quotation marks. I know what you did. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/128 "2010-10-21T20:02:31Z")
Could you enlighten me as to what specifically you’re referencing? I’ve done many things, having been alive for over a quarter century. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Woodhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Miss\_Woodhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Woodhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/129 "2010-10-21T20:16:48Z")
I’m only here to say my college genre professor would be horrified to think anyone would put Neil Gaiman in the Magic Realism genre. Way too much magic going on for that. magic realism has one small bit of magic. It can be a major plot point, but that is the only bit. There aren’t thirteen bits of magic, just one. Like a person with wings. One person who can fly. etc. Everything else does tend to be dark, gritty and overly “realistic” as well. The magic is supposed to provide contrast between the real and the unreal. Genre professor wrote a magic realism novel for her doctoral thesis in creative writing, so it was her pet genre and she drilled into our head exactly what it entails. Gaiman is urban fantasy. To stay on topic I will say Burger King sucks. Prosumer is pretentious. And no one really thinks any Gordon Ramsey show is actually true to life. (Now I’m off to put Helvetica in my queue. thanks!) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/130 "2010-10-21T20:22:26Z")
> [@Miss\_Woodhouse](#): > > magic realism has one small bit of magic. It can be a major plot point, but that is the only bit. There aren’t thirteen bits of magic, just one. Like a person with wings. One person who can fly. etc. Everything else does tend to be dark, gritty and overly “realistic” as well. What’s _Midnight’s Children_, then? That’s just not “one small bit of magic.” ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/131 "2010-10-21T20:24:48Z")
> [@Miss\_Woodhouse](#): > > I’m only here to say my college genre professor would be horrified to think anyone would put Neil Gaiman in the Magic Realism genre. Way too much magic going on for that. magic realism has one small bit of magic. It can be a major plot point, but that is the only bit. There aren’t thirteen bits of magic, just one. Like a person with wings. One person who can fly. etc. Everything else does tend to be dark, gritty and overly “realistic” as well. Any definition of “magic realism” that rules out _One Hundred Years of Solitude_ is pretty dubious. ETA: SfG, my counter-example can beat up your counter-example. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/132 "2010-10-21T20:32:49Z")
I dunno, my copy of \*MC \*is pretty fucking hefty. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/133 "2010-10-21T20:39:42Z")
“magic realism” “one hundred years of solitude” == 8,910 google hits “magic realism” “midnight’s children” == 5,810 google hits. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/134 "2010-10-21T20:55:41Z")
Hey, remember when this thread used to be about “Hell’s Kitchen”? And now it’s all about García Márquez and Rushdie. That’s pretty magical! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/135 "2010-10-21T21:00:30Z")
Realistic, too. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/136 "2010-10-21T21:03:13Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Could you enlighten me as to what specifically you’re referencing? And that would be? > [@](#): > > I’ve done many things, having been alive for over a quarter century. Let me know when it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/137 "2010-10-21T21:09:03Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > And that would be? “I know what you did.” What did you know that I did? > [@](#): > > Let me know when it’s over. Alas, for the moment you will have to continue devoutly praying for my imminent demise. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/138 "2010-10-21T21:10:51Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > “I know what you did.” What did you know that I did? I told you you shouldn’t have hit-and-run that dude in the yellow raincoat. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/139 "2010-10-21T21:57:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > “I know what you did.” What did you know that I did? Obfuscate? > [@](#): > > Alas, for the moment you will have to continue devoutly praying for my imminent demise. Live forever as you are. Like it? ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/140 "2010-10-21T22:06:50Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I told you you shouldn’t have hit-and-run that dude in the yellow raincoat. Pull up a chair, please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096.md?page=8)