# Hell's Kitchen, and it's viewers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096 "2010-10-14T05:45:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dan\_Norder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/161 "2010-10-25T17:34:15Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > I used to think Gordon Ramsey was a piggish, uncouth asshole whom I would slap in short order if I were ever on the receiving end of his disrespect. > > Then I found out that he allegedly had lied about using animal-based stocks in vegetarian dishes, and has served ham to dimwitted, unknowing vegetarians. > > He then became my culinary idol. So you were a clueless asshole both before and after you learned that. Gotchya. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/162 "2010-10-25T20:15:42Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > I’ve seen the ham episode of Kitchen Nightmares, unless you’re talking about an ongoing thing at a restaurant and not the specific occasion I’m thinking of. He had the chef and sous chefs at the restaurant make vegetarian pizzas and one of the sous chefs put ham on hers. He pulled some people off the street at random and asked them to taste them. When the one guy said he was a vegetarian, he said they were vegetarian because he believed they were. Then after they ate the pizzas, the sous chef corrects Ramsey, off camera I think, and he tells the vegetarian that his favorite one had ham in it. > > He sort of made a joke out of it because the vegetarian picked the ham pizza as his favorite but I don`t think there was any deliberate trickery. Unless it was staged, it was portrayed on the show as if Ramsay did deliberately trick a vegetarian into eating ham. > **[Ramsay's pizza joke outrages vegetarians](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1490038/Ramsays-pizza-joke-outrages-vegetarians.html)** The chicken stock incident happened earlier. [http://www.thefreelibrary.com/RAMSAY'S+ARTI-JOKE+ON+VEGGIES+BACKFIRES%3B+He's+sorry+for+`chicken](http://www.thefreelibrary.com/RAMSAY%27S+ARTI-JOKE+ON+VEGGIES+BACKFIRES%3B+He%27s+sorry+for+%60chicken)…-a098408321 ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/163 "2010-10-26T01:32:28Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > Unless it was staged, it was portrayed on the show as if Ramsay did deliberately trick a vegetarian into eating ham. > > [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1490038/Ramsays-pizza-joke-outrages-vegetarians.html](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1490038/Ramsays-pizza-joke-outrages-vegetarians.html) > > The chicken stock incident happened earlier. Not really… The ham pizza starts at about 0 seconds in. There might be a little bit of it cut off that’s at the end of part 2. https://www.youtube.com/embed/9dPS2NR8UaE?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque He was portrayed as not knowing it had parma ham on it. I’m not commenting on whether he should have been contrite or more sincere about the mistake, but he wasn`t portrayed as deliberately tricking him. ---
**Author:** ![gazpacho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6f9a4e/32.png) [@gazpacho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gazpacho)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/164 "2010-10-28T00:07:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > If he isn’t pop culture in the UK, then books aren’t pop culture in the UK. Now, him as a person instead of just being the Discworld author? That’s harder to say. I think that you could make a very good case that books aren’t really pop culture until the movie comes out. ---
**Author:** ![gotpasswords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2010, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096/165 "2010-10-30T04:57:53Z")
[QUOTE=Dogzilla] Dude, I picked the most obscure, boring-sounding, pretentious asshole target market documentary I could think of and leave it to my fellow Dopers… Not only did many of you get the reference, but you’ve seen the damn movie. In the theater. With popcorn and fake butter, I hope. 🆒 [/QUOTE] I’m waiting for next summer’s release of _Run Dog, Run: Century Schoolbook._ I understand Burger King is going to have some merchandising tie-ins for the kids’ meals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hells-kitchen-and-its-viewers/557096.md?page=8)