Help a Dr. Who Virgin have a good first time

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For good reason, but it does introduce the Eighth Doctor, Paul McGann, who, though having pretty much just that one outing on film, has been doing the Doctor since then on CD and BBC7.

But that’s for when you’re done with the Eccleston and Tennant shows. Their special effects are second rate, which is an enormous step up from the earlier series :eek:, but it’s the stories, personal interactions, and actors (all around) that carry them. The early ones may be cheesy, but they’ve always had good actors, especially the Doctors, but now the producers can pick and choose the very best GB has to offer because the current crop of British actors grew up watching the show and wanting to be The Doctor. Or, I suppose, a Companion.

The Companions are a separate, but important, reason for choosing your Doctor. I confess to not liking Rose (Ninth and Tenth Doctors) at first but the way her character develops is fascinating. Now, if she could lose the chav makeup and clothes…she wouldn’t be Rose, would she? Martha (Tenth Doctor), well, Martha starts out close to the Doctor’s equal and, being wicked hot (her, not me), I have to remind myself she’s too young for me.

Going back in time (which gets increasingly screwed up, especially if you do like me and watch New Series 1 and New Series 3 concurrently) Tom Baker’s Fourth Doctor took off for me when Romana 1 became Romana 2 (don’t ask). Lalla (The Honourable Sarah) Ward is one of the great loves of my life, but something tells me I stand no chance against Richard Dawkins, especially since I’m an atheist who generally goes to church on Sunday (don’t ask about that either–it’s more complicated than tracking the dozens of actors who have played the Doctor). And now you have to include Sara Jane (Third, Fourth, and now Tenth Doctors), who has her own adventures.

Like you might’ve guessed, it’s complex.

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One more thing: Y’know how over this side of the pond kid’s shows are, uh, retarded? For some reason, Doctor Who is considered a kid’s, or family, show over there. Maybe when it started, but it’s always had a dark streak even young Dopers probably didn’t catch. The latest Doctors are, well, skewed by the death of their/his species. They are among the darkest characters you’ve ever seen on TV, nearly suicidal and full of hate. The Companions are sometimes needed to balance this and remind them of their, er, humanity.

And my daughters suggest Paul McGann and David Tennant as the Doctors you’ll “like” the best, Sampiro. :smiley:

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McGann & Tennant are sexy, but I want to be Jon Pertwee.

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I think any Star Trek fan should watch City of Death, because the Next Generation finale All Good Things was largely a ripoff of it. I was shocked by that the first time I saw it. (City of Death I mean.) Also I think the Jagaroth ship may have inspired the look of Mantrid’s prison/ship in Lexx.

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Um, my point was that Sampiro, my dear friend, might prefer to have relations, with McGann & Tennant. Pertwee is only for the guys (and, I suppose, gals) for whom age is not an issue, though he will always be My First Doctor. Er, in the straightest way, of course. :wink:

Though guys who are ACTUALLY gay might find potential in many, or ANY, of the other Doctors. Me, I keep getting distracted by Companions, so I guess I must be straight. Not that there is anything wrong with the other options. :smiley:

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(edited to add, but too late): Or Captain Jack, though I will never forgive him for taking “Springtime for Hitler” up an octave. :mad: But I AM straight! :smiley:

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Well, I can see that McGann & Tennant are pretty pretty men. I’m not quite ready to go gay for Tennant, but he is enviably gorgeous. As a straight guy, though, I still want to be Pertwee (though I was a Davison fan as a kid).

I understood the point. To have sex with: McGann, Tennant, maybe Eccleston if hair’s not your thing. I was just saying, I wish I were like Pertwee. (Though actually I’d quite like to be Tennant. He appeals in both ways, so that’s even finer.)

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It was something that happened during the hiatus and has not been shown in any show. It was offscreen, between Doctors 8 and 9.

Oh, and he isn’t full of hate, he’s full of anger that can tip him into hate.

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I’m not sure. The Time war seemed, to me, to be an ongoing thing but was not refered to as such. It may have started during the 4th Doctor in Genisis of the Daleks where teh Time Lords send the Doctor to Skaro to intentionally destroy the Daleks at the time of their Birth. Up to that time The Time Lords Never interferred, in fact the Second doctor was forcibly regenerated and banished to Earth because he consistantly meddled in time.

This would have been the first shot in the war. It also puts the Time Lords in the role of aggressor or, at least, instigator of the War.

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You mean the complete destruction of Gallifrey. There is still one Time Lord around and one who is currently believed dead. The one who may or may not be dead had been hiding, so it’s entirely possible that there are still more out there.

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I am clearly not gay.

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Another cheer for Peter Davison’s Doctor. I think someone knew to the show might enjoy his run.

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Speaking as a fan who recalls watching first-run Patrick Troughton stories …

Tom Baker never really worked for me. He started off well, but during his run he turned the program into a damn comedy. Who always had a decent whimsical streak, but it didn’t deserve what he did to it.

Sadly, Tom had the longest run of any Doctor, so he’s what many fans tend to remember. But the old black-and-white serials had an atmosphere that the series never really regained until Eccleston. Okay, the early special effects were laughable, but the makers knew that and made the stories about characters and ideas instead.

Er … usually. :slight_smile:

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The Time War should have been what happened in the novels. Hell, for years before the show restarted, the 8th Doctor was forced to wipe out Gallifrey and all the Time Lords (except for a handful who would pop up mysteriously…when the Master returned in the novels, I seriously got chills when I realized who it was), and the ultimate villains behind the whole thing were supposed to be the Daleks until some rights thing got in the way and they turned out to be some weird crystalline version of the Doctor. Or something.

Anyway, the setup had already been there, dammit! It could have been the backstory! Now the story is that there were two giant wars that each destroyed Gallifrey and made the Doctor the last of the Time Lords!

What’s really cool is, in the last volume of the 8th Doctor comics from Doctor Who Magazine, they have essays and drawings from the proposed regeneration (Russell T. Davies was such a big fan of the magazine that he wanted the comic to do the regeneration! They couldn’t get the timing to work right, though. But you get to see the McGann to Eccleston sketches they were goint to use!)

So, to sum up, I’m a nerd.

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It is still considered a kid’s show, albeit one that a lot of adults like. It is shown at 7pm on a Saturday and is aimed at kids. BBC kids programmes like Blue Peter and the like trailer Dr. Who a lot. It may be in your face sometimes but it is without question aimed at kids and at times it is specifically meant to scare the shit out of them.

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Okay, what’s that about? The Blue Peter was a flag flown in the Royal Navy to recall the crew as I recall.

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True. But as a cohesive group, the Time Lords are done. Until further notice.

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It’s a magazine programme for children. I think they’ve always had a bit of a Doctor Who thing going. From the new series the Absorballof in Love and Monsters was designed by a BP viewer, and the little kid in Utopia was a competition winner (I think). Mostly they do cool stuff like baking a Dalek cake.

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Me and the kid (8 y/o) love it. We’ve watched all the 9th &10th Doctor episodes, though we’re only part way through season 3 here.

For a modern viewer, yep, Eccleston is the place to start. Both He and Tennant are brilliant in the character for different reasons.

This (as has been mentioned) is a very dark children’s show and has strong moral issues along with much tighter writing and better effects than the old shows. It reminds me more of Sapphire and Steel than the older series of Dr Who. Very bad things can happen to good people and when people die horribly, they stay horribly dead.

I grew up with Pertwee and never forgave Tom Baker for not being him. Liked Peter and Colin, but I was too old to enjoy it properly and didn’t have a kid to watch them with.

The show really is better when someone is hiding behind the couch.