# Help! Evil Muslims are out to get meeeeeee! (For Valteron and Perciful) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476 "2010-06-25T12:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/1 "2010-06-25T12:37:18Z")
So **Valteron** has started yet another “See how evil the Muslims are? They’re so evil, they pretend to be moderate just to keep you from seeing how evil they are” threads [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=568434). This follows other similar threads such as [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=566263) in which he (I’m assuming maleness) asserts a number of things about the proposed cultural center being built in Manhattan near Ground Zero, virtually all of which turn out to be wrong. But this doesn’t matter really, because ultimately what’s important is that you understand how eeeeeeeevil Muslims are. They’re very evil, apparently. All of them everywhere believe exactly the same thing, and most of them want to convert you or [kill you in your sleep](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12616440&postcount=15). It’s a terrible problem, and only **Valteron** and a few others can see it. Everyone else is blinded by liberal guilt and has fallen to the wily ways of the Mussulmen. Which brings me to **Perciful** , who makes **Valteron** seem [positively rational by comparison](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12569986&postcount=286). > [@](#): > > It is simple. Islamics believe in Allah. Allah says to kill all infidels. Anyone who is not Muslim is an infidel and dead. We who are not Muslim are all dead unless we become Islamic and bow to Allah. There will be a mosque on every corner and 5 times a day we will pray to mecca or be shot. Freedom will be a memory. > > Even if you are evil we have it way better then what is coming. That kind of evil is stone age evil. Do you want to be beheaded for freedom of speech? As a woman do you want your sex organs and your daughters sex organs mutilated? And that’s not even getting into the irrational fear of Sharia banking. “Those Muslims are so evil, they don’t want you to earn interest on your bank account! It’s the first step on the slippery slope to genital mutilation!” Anyhoo, most of the rebuttals to their positions have already been made in those other threads (not that it seems to be making a blind bit of difference to them) so I won’t make them again. So here’s what I really want to say: You’re **cowards**. Both of you, and anyone else pulling this “Muslims are planning to take over the US and/or kill everyone” crap. Chickenshit, lily-livered, pablum-puking cowards. _Lying_ chickenshit, lily-livered, pablum-puking cowards who will believe anything that reinforces your hysteria, ignore anything that disproves it, and say anything to try to draw others into your bizarre world view. Seriously - you conjure up this boogeyman and try to convince the rest of us to be just as pulingly craven as you are. You revel in your irrational harassment of people who haven’t actually done anything to you and may in fact be contributing a lot more to society than you are, considering the pride you’ve taken in your efforts to actively suppress and harass people with different religious beliefs. Do you guys even know any Muslims? Do you live anywhere that is likely to be an actual terrorist target? Do you, in fact, have any basis for this nonsense you brandish other than your own spinelessness and the Internet ramblings of a few other equally hateful morons? Based on your posts, I’m guessing the answer to all three is “No”. And if the answer to the first question is “Yes”, I feel terribly sorry for those Muslims. Let’s not gloss over genuine problems here. Does radical Islam promote terrorism? Yes. Is terrorism a real threat? Yes. Does it therefore follow that we must fear and revile all Muslims everywhere and lock them away lest their vile Islamic cooties infect our children and womenfolk? Er, no. Look - I live in London. In 1996 my bus route was bombed by the IRA, as was the building across the street from where I’m sitting right now. On July 7 2005 I had taken the Tube into work and had been lucky enough to come in early that morning so I was at my desk when the bombs went off. I work in one of the prinicipal terrorist targets in the country, and I travel on public transport every single day. In short, I’d bet good money that I’m at a much higher risk of dying in a terrorist attack than either of you are. And yet somehow I, and a few million other Londoners, and a few million New Yorkers and Washingtonians as well, manage to go about our daily business without feeling the need to run away in panic every time some guy with a deep tan and a beard glances in our direction. This doesn’t mean we’re exceptionally brave, nor does it mean that we’re all in denial about the Swarthy Menace from the East. All it means is that you two, and everyone who thinks like you, are a bunch of fucking cowards. Now go home and cry to your momma. Pussies. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/2 "2010-06-25T12:42:52Z")
Righteous rant, well-said. A solid 9.8 from the Ukrainian judge. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/3 "2010-06-25T12:43:12Z")
What’s a pablum? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/4 "2010-06-25T12:54:21Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > What’s a pablum? It’s just pablum, not “a pablum”, and it’s [in the dictionary](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pablum). ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/5 "2010-06-25T12:58:25Z")
**loud golf clap** ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/6 "2010-06-25T13:03:37Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > What’s a pablum? Baby food, or anything processed to make it so it doesn’t have to be chewed. “Pablum-puking”, as a construct, is a Morton Downey, Jr., catchphrase, from back when he had his [del]talk[/del] scream show on TV. Incidentally, I agree 150% with the OP. The saddest thing about 9/11 is how many otherwise liberal people it turned into raging Islamophobes. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/7 "2010-06-25T13:05:09Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Baby food, or anything processed to make it so it doesn’t have to be chewed. “Pablum-puking”, as a construct, is a Morton Downey, Jr., catchphrase, from back when he had his [del]talk[/del] scream show on TV. > > Incidentally, I agree 150% with the OP. The saddest thing about 9/11 is how many otherwise liberal people it turned into raging Islamophobes. And my, what an entertaining Conservative-fest that show was. And he smoked! On the set! In front of the TV cameras! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/8 "2010-06-25T13:13:59Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The saddest thing about 9/11 is how many otherwise liberal people it turned into raging Islamophobes. Let me rephrase this, because I just reread it and realized how utterly stupid it sounds. The _saddest_ thing about 9/11 was the horrendous loss of life. _One of the sadder things_ about 9/11 was how many otherwise liberal people it turned into raging Islamophobes. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/9 "2010-06-25T13:15:41Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And my, what an entertaining Conservative-fest that show was. And he smoked! On the set! In front of the TV cameras! Heh…I never really thought Downey served to help conservatism with that show. It certainly made him and conservatism look really stupid to anyone to his left. It’s hard to be Bill Buckley when your mouth is always wide open and screaming. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/10 "2010-06-25T13:41:08Z")
Had to be said. Well done, sir. And, if I might add, a special “up yours” to **Perciful** for repeating the “Obama is a secret Muslim who wants to make us all pray to Mecca” meme that even Glen Beck has given up on. ETA: Just because you’re paranoid, doesn’t mean they _aren’t_ out to get you… ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/11 "2010-06-25T13:55:11Z")
May I also add my endorsement to the OP. This was one of the worst things about the late Bush/Cheney regime. Not only did they react to 9/11 like craven cowards (albeit like cowards with machine guns up against assailants armed with sticks); for political advantage, they did their level best to infect the American people with their brand of cowardice. Some are still suffering from the infection. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/12 "2010-06-25T14:04:14Z")
I cosign this OP. ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/13 "2010-06-25T14:16:39Z")
The problem with **Valteron** is that he’s noticed some _real_ problems with the world today, which we are starting to experience in the Western world as well, but has interpreted them as signaling a unprecedented culture war. Yes, we are aware that in Iran and other countries including many majority Muslim countries, homosexuals are put to death. Yes, we know that people from these countries are immigrating to Western countries and may remain homophobic (sometimes violently so) for some time. ( **Valteron** is gay and that largely colours his hatred for Islam, as well as for Catholicism.) And yes, I believe him when he says that he knew an “ex-Muslim” some 20 years ago who’s now emphatically returned to his religion, quite possibly under the fear of retaliation. So we’ve got problems to address, that’s true. But has this signaled a real change in the culture of our societies? Some people may be remaining on the outskirts of Western society, but that’s where they are, the outskirts; they’re not taking over the centre. We’ve had some tests of Western values in the recent years; in Canada, I can name the debate over Sharia binding arbitration in family law and over the extent in which to accommodate niqab wearers, and for the most part I think Western values have survived these tests. Where **Valteron** largely errs is in believing that we’re not aware of it, and that we’ll let “them” bring our societies back into the Middle Ages for fear of being “un-PC”. We’re quite aware of the challenge, thank you very much, and for those who’re afraid of “them” influencing our societies, the fact is we’re influencing them more. For example, **Valteron** may hate Catholicism, but he’s quite aware that even in some nominally Catholic societies – his own, for example – the vast majority of people are barely practicing and may only follow a few cultural practices, go to church once every year, and more-or-less believe in some god with fuzzy attributes. Catholicism has been influenced by modern Western society. Islam is being influenced as well. This is not an unprecedented culture war, it’s in fact something that the world has seen many times in the past. **Perciful** ’s problem is that she’s old, not very bright and xenophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/14 "2010-06-25T14:19:58Z")
Is there room on this bandwagon for me? I’ll just squeeze in here in the vuvuzela section. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/15 "2010-06-25T14:28:30Z")
> [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](#): > > The problem with **Valteron** is that he’s noticed some _real_ problems with the world today, which we are starting to experience in the Western world as well, but has interpreted them as signaling a unprecedented culture war. Yes, we are aware that in Iran and other countries including many majority Muslim countries, homosexuals are put to death. Yes, we know that people from these countries are immigrating to Western countries and may remain homophobic (sometimes violently so) for some time. ( **Valteron** is gay and that largely colours his hatred for Islam, as well as for Catholicism.) And yes, I believe him when he says that he knew an “ex-Muslim” some 20 years ago who’s now emphatically returned to his religion, quite possibly under the fear of retaliation. So we’ve got problems to address, that’s true. But has this signaled a real change in the culture of our societies? Some people may be remaining on the outskirts of Western society, but that’s where they are, the outskirts; they’re not taking over the centre. We’ve had some tests of Western values in the recent years; in Canada, I can name the debate over Sharia binding arbitration in family law and over the extent in which to accommodate niqab wearers, and for the most part I think Western values have survived these tests. > > Where **Valteron** largely errs is in believing that we’re not aware of it, and that we’ll let “them” bring our societies back into the Middle Ages for fear of being “un-PC”. We’re quite aware of the challenge, thank you very much, and for those who’re afraid of “them” influencing our societies, the fact is we’re influencing them more. For example, **Valteron** may hate Catholicism, but he’s quite aware that even in some nominally Catholic societies – his own, for example – the vast majority of people are barely practicing and may only follow a few cultural practices, go to church once every year, and more-or-less believe in some god with fuzzy attributes. Catholicism has been influenced by modern Western society. Islam is being influenced as well. This is not an unprecedented culture war, it’s in fact something that the world has seen many times in the past. I can appreciate that there are many valid reasons to object, even strongly object, to the sorts of practices found in Islamic countries. Indeed, in other recent threads I’ve specifically mentioned the treatment of homosexuals in Iran and of women in Saudi Arabia. And I am certainly no fan of religious extremism of any ilk. But none of that is an excuse for the sort of things he’s saying in the threads he’s started. > [@](#): > > **Perciful** ’s problem is that she’s old, not very bright and xenophobic. Are you saying that I’ve just verbally beaten up an old lady? I feel bad now. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/16 "2010-06-25T14:40:54Z")
I went to high school with two muslim girls, and they had _huge_ titties. I had always hoped they were out to get me. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/17 "2010-06-25T14:43:35Z")
Also, 10 to 1 that somehow Israel gets brought up and this thread turns into a 10 page shitfest. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/18 "2010-06-25T14:44:34Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Also, 10 to 1 that somehow Israel gets brought up and this thread turns into a 10 page shitfest. I’ll take “Self-Fulfilling Prophecies” for 1000, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/19 "2010-06-25T14:49:59Z")
I should have spoilered the country, shouldn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/20 "2010-06-25T15:00:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Are you saying that I’ve just verbally beaten up an old lady? I feel bad now. I _think_ she’s relatively old, but I don’t have any actual proof of this. I read the suggestion in a recent thread. She does have grown-up children. **Valteron** is also early senior age (around 60). And no, let’s not bring Israel in this discussion (unless people want to discuss the influence of Muslim Israelis over Israeli culture, but a new thread would be a better place for this). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=2)