# Help! Evil Muslims are out to get meeeeeee! (For Valteron and Perciful) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476 "2010-06-25T12:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/541 "2010-08-20T02:47:41Z")
> [@damuri ajashi](#): > > at least i have chicken. leeeeeeeroyyyyyy jenkinnnnnnns! ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/542 "2010-08-20T04:40:21Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I live outside Dearborn Michigan. It has a population of about 100,000. Over 30 percent are Arabs. They have been here for decades. They are just people. Oh, yeah? and you think the collapse of the domestic auto industry since they moved in is just a coincidence, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/543 "2010-08-21T07:20:21Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > > [@Kobal2](#): > > > > Hordehu akbar ! > > Hordehu_m_. Third person plural. Tom Scudi eunt domus ! ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/544 "2010-08-21T09:11:27Z")
After 2001 we should’ve just installed 150 million sets of plastic sheeting so the bedwetters could get through the night worry free. Too bad the plastic bed sheet industry doesn’t have the pull it once did. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/545 "2010-08-21T17:49:02Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > After 2001 we should’ve just installed 150 million sets of plastic sheeting so the bedwetters could get through the night worry free. Too bad the plastic bed sheet industry doesn’t have the pull it once did. Didn’t they buy tons of duct tape to protect themselves against anthrax SCUD missiles ? I can see an easy DIY fix. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/546 "2010-09-20T21:26:48Z")
Here’s a visual aid to help some of our slower friends better comprehend the reality of [The Terrible Threat of Scary Muslims, Oh Noes](http://blog.faithinpubliclife.org/assets_c/2010/09/MuslimPopulationChart-thumb-600x528-240-thumb-600x528-242.jpg?ref=nf). ---
**Author:** ![ManiacMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiacMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacMan)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/547 "2010-09-21T02:54:46Z")
Everyone always says that the number of muslims who are radical and want to kill people is so “vanishingly” small…what is this actual number? Is it real or is it something made up? How does one even determine how many muslims represent this “small” “tiny” “itsy-bitsy” number/subset of the entire worldwide muslim population with any reliability? I know it aint hundreds and hundreds of millions, but what is a solid reliable somewhat verifiable guess? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2010, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/548 "2010-09-21T09:47:52Z")
I have here in my hand a list of 247 Muslims… Honestly, **ManiacMan** , it’s impossible to say. For starters, you can’t look into everyone’s hearts and minds to find out whether they’re willing to kill people. There are overtly angry people who march and make threats but would never really kill anyone, and there are quiet plotters. There are people who plan and people who fund and people who recruit and people who train and people who actually kill. I can speculate, of course. In war-torn areas like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine the number is going to be high - they’ve got more reason to fight and less reason to live. In America and Europe there will be some but probably ranging from a few dozen to a few hundred at most, often young radicalized converts too angry and naive to have any perspective on what they’re doing. The graph linked in the post before yours is probably in the right ballpark, but who knows? No one denies that they’re there, or that they pose a very real threat. The challenge for us, as I keep saying, is not to assume that it’s the “Islam” in “radical Islam” that causes this and tar all Muslims everywhere with the same brush; it’s the “radical” we have to monitor. Islam is the predominant medium for violent crazy at the moment but other religions and other causes have and continue to serve as well. These days we look at people with swarthy skin and beards suspiciously; it used to be that a Northern Irish accent could get you on a watchlist (although not so much in the US - the IRA knew which side their bread was buttered on). Extremist environmental and animal rights groups continue to promote their causes who violent destruction. It’s a dangerous world full of crazy people. Let’s not make it worse by making the sane ones crazy too. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/549 "2010-09-22T14:04:52Z")
> [@ManiacMan](#): > > Everyone always says that the number of muslims who are radical and want to kill people is so “vanishingly” small…what is this actual number? Is it real or is it something made up? How does one even determine how many muslims represent this “small” “tiny” “itsy-bitsy” number/subset of the entire worldwide muslim population with any reliability? I know it aint hundreds and hundreds of millions, but what is a solid reliable somewhat verifiable guess? In 2006, a survey of British Muslims revealed that 23% (370,000) of the Muslims living there thought that the attack there that killed 54 innocent people was justified. [Article here.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-399352/Almost-quarter-Muslims-believe-7-7-justified.html) One can see some numbers in the chart [here.](http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196545.php) While those who think the killing of innocents in the U.S. is okay is small, the numbers are not. Check out the analyis at the bottom of [this page.](http://lael.new.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/11/2805640-killing-civilians-a-muslim-view-316-percent-of-muslims-approve-the-murder-of-civilians-according-to-pro-arab-newspaper-middle-east-times) There was a cite used here a while back that, if I recall correctly, revealed that 28% of Muslims believed that the killing of innocents was or could be justified. Or something like that. The good and bad new is the number of Muslims in the world. It’s good that there are so many who oppose such murderous barbarism, like the rest of the civilized world. But even a small percentage who insist on murderous barbarism means that the numbers are in the tens or hundreds of millions. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/550 "2010-09-22T14:19:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I have here in my hand a list of 247 Muslims… You do realize that McCarthy was correct, right. There were, in fact, Communists in the government. That’s fodder for another thread, but in case you’re interested, [here.](http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23478) ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/551 "2010-09-22T14:57:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > I have here in my hand a list of 247 Muslims… > > You do realize that McCarthy was correct, right. There were, in fact, Communists in the government. That’s fodder for another thread, but in case you’re interested, [here.](http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23478) Hey, _Human Events_! [Sourcewatch](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Human_Events) has info on this fine publication, including involvement by The Usual Suspects. Most interesting: > [@](#): > > **Ten Most Harmful Books:** > The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels > Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler > Quotations from Chairman, by Mao Mao Zedong > The Kinsey Report, by Alfred Kinsey > Democracy and Education, by John Dewey > Das Kapital, by Karl Marx > The Feminine Mystique, by Betty Friedan > The Course of Positive Philosophy, by Auguste Comte > Beyond Good and Evil, by Freidrich Nietzsche > General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, by John Maynard Keynes (Keynesianism) > > **Other books deemed harmful:** > The Population Bomb, by Paul Ehrlich > On Liberty, by John Stuart Mill > The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin > Coming of Age in Samoa, by Margaret Mead > Silent Spring, by Rachel Carson > Introduction to Psychoanalysis, by Sigmund Freud That’s a pretty diverse list… ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/552 "2010-09-22T15:10:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > I have here in my hand a list of 247 Muslims… > > You do realize that McCarthy was correct, right. There were, in fact, Communists in the government. That’s fodder for another thread, but in case you’re interested, [here.](http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23478) Interestingly, we still outright won the Cold War, even with McCarthy discredited and no out-of-the-ordinary actions taken to deal with the so-called “Communist Menace”. So I’m confused what lesson we’re supposed to take away from this–we could have somehow “won the Cold War” back in the 1960s if we’d have all listened? Or, perhaps, “our democracy is robust enough to protect itself from ‘infiltrators’ even without special effort.” Yeah, that latter one sounds good. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/553 "2010-09-22T15:40:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > There was a cite used here a while back that, if I recall correctly, revealed that 28% of Muslims believed that the killing of innocents was or could be justified. So good to hear you’ve been protesting the entirety of the Iraq War, which has to date caused absolutely \*\*_no fewer than 97,994 civilian deaths_, and believe it has no justification whatsoever. ([Cite.](http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/554 "2010-09-22T16:21:48Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@magellan01](#): > > > > There was a cite used here a while back that, if I recall correctly, revealed that 28% of Muslims believed that the killing of innocents was or could be justified. > > So good to hear you’ve been protesting the entirety of the Iraq War, which has to date caused absolutely \*\*_no fewer than 97,994 civilian deaths_, and believe it has no justification whatsoever. ([Cite.](http://www.iraqbodycount.org/)) Actually, no, I don’t believe that. And that has nothing to do with the topic. But thanks, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/555 "2010-09-22T16:26:09Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > > [@magellan01](#): > > > > You do realize that McCarthy was correct, right. There were, in fact, Communists in the government. That’s fodder for another thread, but in case you’re interested, [here.](http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23478) > > Hey, _Human Events_! [Sourcewatch](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Human_Events) has info on this fine publication, including involvement by The Usual Suspects. Most interesting: > > > [@](#): > > > > **Ten Most Harmful Books:** > > The Communist Manifesto, by Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels > > Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler > > Quotations from Chairman, by Mao Mao Zedong > > The Kinsey Report, by Alfred Kinsey > > Democracy and Education, by John Dewey > > Das Kapital, by Karl Marx > > The Feminine Mystique, by Betty Friedan > > The Course of Positive Philosophy, by Auguste Comte > > Beyond Good and Evil, by Freidrich Nietzsche > > General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, by John Maynard Keynes (Keynesianism) > > > > **Other books deemed harmful:** > > The Population Bomb, by Paul Ehrlich > > On Liberty, by John Stuart Mill > > The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin > > Coming of Age in Samoa, by Margaret Mead > > Silent Spring, by Rachel Carson > > Introduction to Psychoanalysis, by Sigmund Freud > > That’s a pretty diverse list… There’s a quote that I can’t quite remember…something about the messenger. Hmmm. Now if you’d like to refute the facts in M. Stanton Evans’s book, by all means… But why attempt to be on point when you can attempt to discredit the site that did an interview with the author? I think we both know the answer, don’t we, hon? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/556 "2010-09-22T16:30:26Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > > [@magellan01](#): > > > > You do realize that McCarthy was correct, right. There were, in fact, Communists in the government. That’s fodder for another thread, but in case you’re interested, [here.](http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23478) > > Interestingly, we still outright won the Cold War, even with McCarthy discredited and no out-of-the-ordinary actions taken to deal with the so-called “Communist Menace”. > > So I’m confused what lesson we’re supposed to take away from this–we could have somehow “won the Cold War” back in the 1960s if we’d have all listened? Or, perhaps, “our democracy is robust enough to protect itself from ‘infiltrators’ even without special effort.” > > Yeah, that latter one sounds good. So, you concede that McCarthy was right? Good. That’s progress. Now, whether you think it wise that a country should turn a blind eye to threats and hope for the best is a good defense policy is another matter. Perhaps you should run for office on such an intelligent and responsible defense policy. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/557 "2010-09-22T16:58:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > Interestingly, we still outright won the Cold War, even with McCarthy discredited and no out-of-the-ordinary actions taken to deal with the so-called “Communist Menace”. > > > > So I’m confused what lesson we’re supposed to take away from this–we could have somehow “won the Cold War” back in the 1960s if we’d have all listened? Or, perhaps, “our democracy is robust enough to protect itself from ‘infiltrators’ even without special effort.” > > > > Yeah, that latter one sounds good. > > So, you concede that McCarthy was right? Good. That’s progress. > > Now, whether you think it wise that a country should turn a blind eye to threats and hope for the best is a good defense policy is another matter. Perhaps you should run for office on such an intelligent and responsible defense policy. I conceded nothing of the kind, merely pointed out that even if your cited book is right, it didn’t make a damn bit of difference. I am proud to stand on my beliefs in freedom of conscience, though, so maybe I should run for office. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/558 "2010-09-22T17:04:12Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > > [@magellan01](#): > > > > So, you concede that McCarthy was right? Good. That’s progress. > > > > Now, whether you think it wise that a country should turn a blind eye to threats and hope for the best is a good defense policy is another matter. Perhaps you should run for office on such an intelligent and responsible defense policy. > > I conceded nothing of the kind, merely pointed out that even if your cited book is right, it didn’t make a damn bit of difference. > > I am proud to stand on my beliefs in freedom of conscience, though, so maybe I should run for office. I’ll vote for you if you’ll run against **magellan01**. 'Course, you’ll have to move to California or Canada. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/559 "2010-09-22T17:10:20Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > > [@Zeriel](#): > > > > I conceded nothing of the kind, merely pointed out that even if your cited book is right, it didn’t make a damn bit of difference. > > > > I am proud to stand on my beliefs in freedom of conscience, though, so maybe I should run for office. > > I’ll vote for you if you’ll run against **magellan01**. 😉 But you haven’t heard what goodies I might give you for your vote. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/560 "2010-09-22T18:47:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Actually, no, I don’t believe that. And that has nothing to do with the topic. But thanks, anyway. It has everything to do with the topic, because you just demonstrated that you believe _the killing of innocents is and can be justified_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=29)