# Help! Evil Muslims are out to get meeeeeee! (For Valteron and Perciful) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476 "2010-06-25T12:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/41 "2010-06-25T16:31:02Z")
Muslims may want to kill you but Catholic priests want to fuck your children. The feckers want to kill me as well, right? I’m white, western, an atheist, think gays should be allowed do anything they want to each other and believe women should be as free to express themselves in any way they see fit. I don’t want to be left out. The chances of a white christian blowing me up has gone down considerably over the last decade or so so I need some new fear to keep me going. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/42 "2010-06-25T16:31:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > If I remember correctly, **jayjay** is gay. Now, if he is both gay _and_ Jewish, he’s way in front of the line. You see how the Jews always get preferential treatment? It’s just typical… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/43 "2010-06-25T16:32:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > If I remember correctly, **jayjay** is gay. Now, if he is both gay _and_ Jewish, he’s way in front of the line. Thanks for the explanation. > [@](#): > > Of course there is no foolproof method. The point is that because there isn’t, and given both the statements and actions of a subset of Muslims, a degree of wariness is not only warranted, but wise. Then you agree that it would be wise, as a whole, to consider Muslims much less worthy of a wary reaction than your average American? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/44 "2010-06-25T16:33:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At least you had the decency to specify **fundamentalist** Islam, which is still a generalization but one a few steps closer to reality. The people to whom I refer in the OP seem to fear any type of Islam at all - extremist, moderate, liberal, quasi-secular, etc. If it says “Islam” on the label, it’s all bad to them. > > Also, if you asked a hundred random Americans what group of people was best known for suppressing the rights of women and homosexuals, I doubt the survey would put “Muslim” as the top answer. I’m not sure what you think the answer would be, but what if you asked. “What group wants to kill homosexuals and subjugate women, to the point of stoning them to death for actions that males in her family are offended by?” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/45 "2010-06-25T16:34:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You see how the Jews always get preferential treatment? It’s just typical… > > 😃 Nicely done. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/46 "2010-06-25T16:38:30Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Thanks for the explanation. Then you agree that it would be wise, as a whole, to consider Muslims much less worthy of a wary reaction than your average American? Let’s crunch some numbers. How many Americans have Muslims killed? Now, how many Muslims have Americans killed? So which group is more dangerous? Overgeneralizations are fun, no? > [@magellan01](#): > > I’m not sure what you think the answer would be, but what if you asked. “What group wants to kill homosexuals and subjugate women, to the point of stoning them to death [for actions that males in her family are offended by]?” Nice tailoring of the question, but frankly if you left off the last bit you still might not get “Muslim” as the top answer. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/47 "2010-06-25T16:38:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At least you had the decency to specify **fundamentalist** Islam, which is still a generalization but one a few steps closer to reality. The people to whom I refer in the OP seem to fear any type of Islam at all - extremist, moderate, liberal, quasi-secular, etc. If it says “Islam” on the label, it’s all bad to them. > > Also, if you asked a hundred random Americans what group of people was best known for suppressing the rights of women and homosexuals, I doubt the survey would put “Muslim” as the top answer. In America, Islam is not really a concern to me. Those coming here, or raised here, are probably more progressive than the average citizen. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a very large, well funded, anti-western, anti-American group of Islamic thugs determined to kill Americans when they can. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/48 "2010-06-25T16:40:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The point, friend, is that some Muslims DO want to kill us. (And you’d be closer to the front of that line than I.) In fact, of the group of people who can be defined as “wanting to kill Americans”, Muslims make up a vast majority. Oh quit yer bitching. Guess what? They want to kill _me_ too. And I’m a _liberal Muslim woman_. Fundamentalists of **any** stripe think that they’re the only ones who are right, everyone else is wrong and their enemies must be destroyed somehow. Funny, I’m seeing it here too. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/49 "2010-06-25T16:40:09Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At least you had the decency to specify **fundamentalist** Islam, which is still a generalization but one a few steps closer to reality. The people to whom I refer in the OP seem to fear any type of Islam at all - extremist, moderate, liberal, quasi-secular, etc. If it says “Islam” on the label, it’s all bad to them.. That’s just stupid and utterly unfair. You are doing the exact thing you accuse others of doing. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/50 "2010-06-25T16:41:23Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Of course there is no foolproof method. The point is that because there isn’t, and given both the statements and actions of a subset of Muslims, a degree of wariness is not only warranted, but wise. So, how do we do that without putting the Constitution (and common decency) through a shredder? Are you suggesting that we treat Muslims differently than we do any other religion? Frankly, just in general walking-around terms, I’m more afraid of Southern Baptists than I am of Muslims. I’m much more likely to encounter a majority-Southern-Baptist population who wants to drag me behind their pickup truck than I am to encounter a majority-Muslim population who wants to hang me. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/51 "2010-06-25T16:42:46Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > As I said in another thread, the biggest issue I have with my Muslim neighbours is that one of the teenagers has a huge subwoofer in his trunk, and it really pisses me off when he drives around with it cranked up on a Saturday morning. Ah, spreading the sub-bass message of Allah, how nefarious! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/52 "2010-06-25T16:44:25Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > That’s just stupid and utterly unfair. You are doing the exact thing you accuse others of doing. How is it unfair? **Valteron** is NOT making distinctions. In fact, he’s trying to twist words and meanings of things the imam in the MODERATE Muslim congregation in question has said to make it look like he’s some kind of Mullah Omar. **Valteron** and **Perciful** DO NOT MAKE DISTINCTIONS between Muslim sects in their screeds. ALL Muslims are suspect to them. And if a particular Muslim hasn’t actually said something like “Death to Israel!” or “Die, American Satans!” then **Valteron** will try to make it look like they did. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/53 "2010-06-25T16:44:30Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > That’s just stupid and utterly unfair. You are doing the exact thing you accuse others of doing. Am I? How so? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/54 "2010-06-25T16:44:32Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Then you agree that it would be wise, as a whole, to consider Muslims much less worthy of a wary reaction than your average American? Absolutely not. I see no reason to fear the average American. But if you define a subset, like Americans who do Meth, or routinely drink and drive, then I can begin to be more fearful of that group. But I’m more fearful of those in a group of which that group is associated with violence, like skin heads, for instance. I’d also be more fearful of going to a 50-Cent concert than a Pat Boone concert, even though the latter is likely to be more painful. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/55 "2010-06-25T16:45:03Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Wait. Just wait a fucking minute. > > The Muslims AREN’T trying to kill us? No, not all of them. A large number of them just want to be left the hell alone to get on with life. _Just_ like us. The ones I knew back in college we just like us, but had funny accents and tended to eat with their right hand an no utensils on stuff like chicken and rice =) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/56 "2010-06-25T16:46:39Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Ah, spreading the sub-bass message of Allah, how nefarious! Muezzins sure have changed since I was young. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/57 "2010-06-25T16:47:46Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > No, not all of them. A large number of them just want to be left the hell alone to get on with life. _Just_ like us. The ones I knew back in college we just like us, but had funny accents and tended to eat with their right hand an no utensils on stuff like chicken and rice =) And some of us even look (apart from our skin colour) like you, dress like you, eat (almost) the same things you do, don’t have too funny accents, are educated, and really do just want peace and harmony between different cultures. Heck, most people don’t know I’m Muslim until I tell them. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/58 "2010-06-25T16:48:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Muezzins sure have changed since I was young. You’ve not seen the Call to Prayer Alarm Clock my grandfather had… Electronic Muezzins ahoy! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/59 "2010-06-25T16:50:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The point, friend, is that some Muslims DO want to kill us. (And you’d be closer to the front of that line than I.) In fact, of the group of people who can be defined as “wanting to kill Americans”, Muslims make up a vast majority.Further refine that group as “those who want to kill us, have killed some of us, and continue to actively try to kill some of us”, it’s pretty much all Muslim. Now, that does not mean that all Muslims want to kill Americans, but until you have a fool-proof way cull the evil-trying-to-kill-us ones from the peaceful ones, it behooves us—or those of us who would like to not be killed or have those we cared for killed—to be wary of the whole lot. > > Got it now, friend? The point, friend, is that some white men DO want to kill us. (And you’d be closer to the front of that line than I.) In fact, of the group of people who can be defined as “wanting to kill Americans”, white men make up a vast majority.Further refine that group as “those who want to kill us, have killed some of us, and continue to actively try to kill some of us”, it’s pretty much all white men. Now, that does not mean that all white men want to kill Americans, but until you have a fool-proof way cull the evil-trying-to-kill-us ones from the peaceful ones, it behooves us—or those of us who would like to not be killed or have those we cared for killed—to be wary of the whole lot. Got it now, friend? Psssssst: your racist is showing, you disgusting sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/60 "2010-06-25T16:51:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Absolutely not. I see no reason to fear the average American. But if you define a subset, like Americans who do Meth, or routinely drink and drive, then I can begin to be more fearful of that group. But I’m more fearful of those in a group of which that group is associated with violence, like skin heads, for instance. I’d also be more fearful of going to a 50-Cent concert than a Pat Boone concert, even though the latter is likely to be more painful. Hold on a moment. I thought that we couldn’t define a subset - there’s no foolproof way to know one from another, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=4)