# Help! Evil Muslims are out to get meeeeeee! (For Valteron and Perciful) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476 "2010-06-25T12:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/61 "2010-06-25T16:51:27Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > no, not all of them. A large number of them just want to be left the hell alone to get on with life. _just_ like us. woooooooooosh! ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/62 "2010-06-25T16:51:54Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > Oh quit yer bitching. Guess what? They want to kill _me_ too. And I’m a _liberal Muslim woman_. Fundamentalists of **any** stripe think that they’re the only ones who are right, everyone else is wrong and their enemies must be destroyed somehow. Funny, I’m seeing it here too. I thought you were a werewolf. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/63 "2010-06-25T16:51:59Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > So, how do we do that without putting the Constitution (and common decency) through a shredder? Are you suggesting that we treat Muslims differently than we do any other religion? Frankly, just in general walking-around terms, I’m more afraid of Southern Baptists than I am of Muslims. I’m much more likely to encounter a majority-Southern-Baptist population who wants to drag me behind their pickup truck than I am to encounter a majority-Muslim population who wants to hang me. And you should want to keep it that way. (You’re grandiloquent persecution complex aside.) Or would you really be happier if the Southern Baptist danger to you (fantastical as it is) remained the same but was relegated to Fear #2 status because there were more Muslim-majority populations for you to be persecuted by? You’re not thinking this through. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/64 "2010-06-25T16:53:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And you should want to keep it that way. (You’re grandiloquent persecution complex aside.) Or would you really be happier if the Southern Baptist danger to you (fantastical as it is) remained the same but was relegated to Fear #2 status because there were more Muslim-majority populations for you to be persecuted by? > > You’re not thinking this through. Also: BEARS! Bears want to eat you! DAMN YOU, BEARS! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/65 "2010-06-25T16:53:28Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > Hold on a moment. I thought that we couldn’t define a subset - there’s no foolproof way to know one from another, right? We define them as much as we can. Though I might be missing your point. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/66 "2010-06-25T16:53:46Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I thought you were a werewolf. I’m a _Muslim_ werewolf. Its part of the liberal-ness. Or maybe its the “Islam” bit that turns me into a rabid werewolf. Obsession with the Moon in both cases and all that. 😉 (Directed to no one in particular) Oh and please don’t make the mistake of assuming that “Liberal” means non-practicing! ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/67 "2010-06-25T16:55:25Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Also: BEARS! Bears want to eat you! DAMN YOU, BEARS! And if you are backpacking in Alaska, it would do you well to adopt that mindset. So, good point! (Unintended as it was.) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/68 "2010-06-25T16:56:10Z")
[QUOTE=Angua] I’m a Muslim werewolf. Its part of the liberal-ness. Or maybe its the “Islam” bit that turns me into a rabid werewolf. Obsession with the Moon in both cases and all that. (Directed to no one in particular) Oh and please don’t make the mistake of assuming that “Liberal” means non-practicing! [/QUOTE] Am I not mistaking you for a non-practicing lycanthrope, or for a non-practicing Muslim? It makes a difference, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/69 "2010-06-25T16:57:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Am I not mistaking you for a non-practicing lycanthrope, or for a non-practicing Muslim? It makes a difference, you know. Why? Because in one scenario I want to blow you up, and the other I just want to rip you jugular out with my claws? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/70 "2010-06-25T16:57:58Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Psssssst: your racist is showing, you disgusting sack of shit. Psssssst. Islam isn’t a race, you dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/71 "2010-06-25T16:59:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > We define them as much as we can. Though I might be missing your point. The point is this; You seem to be saying that, on one hand, there are some Muslims who are dangerous and worthy of our concern. There are some who aren’t. We have no foolproof way of determining which is which, so it is only wise to treat \*all \*Muslims with some level of suspicion, some level of wariness. On the other hand, there are some Americans who are dangerous and worthy of our concern, and some who aren’t. Again, we have no foolproof way of determining which is which - but in this instance, it is wise not to be suspicious of all American, but rather, as you say, “define them as much as we can”. My point is that your standards seem to be different. To differentiate Muslims, we need a foolproof standard - otherwise all Muslims are worthy of suspicion. But to differentiate Americans, we can accept an imperfect standard, and not be wary of your average American. If we can only accept differentiation methods that are foolproof, then you should be more wary of your fellow citizens in general than Muslims in general. If we don’t require perfection, if we can “define them as much as we can”, then it follows that we should accept some standards of differentiating Muslims, and that we should not be wary or suspicious of “the whole lot”. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/72 "2010-06-25T16:59:22Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > Why? Because in one scenario I want to blow you up, and the other I just want to rip you jugular out with my claws? Yes. Well, that, and just in case I ever cook for you I needed to know if I have to pick up _halal_ shredded man-flesh. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/73 "2010-06-25T17:00:14Z")
> [@Angua](#): > > Why? Because in one scenario I want to blow you up, and the other I just want to rip you jugular out with my claws? The second scenario is preferable. If you survive a werewolf attack you become one. Doesn’t work that way with religion. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/74 "2010-06-25T17:00:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m not sure what you think the answer would be, but what if you asked. “What group wants to kill homosexuals and subjugate women, to the point of stoning them to death for actions that males in her family are offended by?” Here in America? Fundie Christians, mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/75 "2010-06-25T17:00:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, that, and just in case I ever cook for you I needed to know if I have to pick up _halal_ shredded man-flesh. That man-flesh better be halal… And raw!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/76 "2010-06-25T17:02:02Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And you should want to keep it that way. (You’re grandiloquent persecution complex aside.) Or would you really be happier if the Southern Baptist danger to you (fantastical as it is) remained the same but was relegated to Fear #2 status because there were more Muslim-majority populations for you to be persecuted by? > > You’re not thinking this through. See, **jayjay** , if you were a proper breeder you could already be busily reproducing and popping out sprogs which would hold your worldview. DAMMIT PEOPLE, WE MUST WIN THIS RACE TO OUTPOPULATE THE FILTHY FOREIGNERS AND THUS PRESERVE OUR WAY OF LIFE! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/77 "2010-06-25T17:03:00Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > The second scenario is preferable. If you survive a werewolf attack you become one. Doesn’t work that way with religion. Well, [sometimes it does](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas). ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/78 "2010-06-25T17:04:38Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > If we can only accept differentiation methods that are foolproof, then you should be more wary of your fellow citizens in general than Muslims in general. If we don’t require perfection, if we can “define them as much as we can”, then it follows that we should accept some standards of differentiating Muslims, and that we should not be wary or suspicious of “the whole lot”. There’s a flaw in your reasoning. Muslims are _different_ from Us. They’re Them. Therefore suspicion is the only prudent course of action. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/79 "2010-06-25T17:07:12Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > There’s a flaw in your reasoning. > > Muslims are _different_ from Us. They’re Them. Muslims are _giant ants_?! OK, now that’s scary. Especially when the ants are also werewolves. ---
**Author:** ![Angua](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8baadc/32.png) [@Angua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angua)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476/80 "2010-06-25T17:08:22Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Muslims are _giant ants_?! OK, now that’s scary. Especially when the ants are also werewolves. Yeah, you don’t want to mess with giant ant werewolf Muslims… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-evil-muslims-are-out-to-get-meeeeeee-for-valteron-and-perciful/544476.md?page=5)