# Help Hillary by giving her a great debate zinger **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 20, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444 "2016-09-20T14:50:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/121 "2016-09-27T05:00:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > A list of all the little guys that Trump has cheated out of their money just because he could. (OK, not _all_ of them; there are time limits here.) From Trump University to all the tradesmen and small contractors and USA Freedom girls, to the guy who got cheated out of the $1M hole-in-one at the Trump charity golf event. She did something like this with the contractors and worked her father into it as well. I thought it was pretty effective. IIRC she didn’t go after Trump U which is a bit surprising because she could have worked it into a riff about her proposals for college students. Perhaps the right opportunity didn’t come up. On the whole she didn’t try for too many zingers and that was a wise choice since it really isn’t her style. Her first one on “trumped-up trickle-down” was pretty groan-inducing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/122 "2016-09-27T13:28:21Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > “Donald, whether they vote for you, or vote for me, or anybody else, they are going to elect a politician.” Hillary, you are the worst embodiment of a self serving politician. How much money did you take from big donors to fund your smear campaign against me? The one where you make me out to be the worst possible thing that can happen to this country. I’m giving you a chance to avoid that horrible fate and you won’t take it because you think YOU are important enough to risk it. Nothing is more important to Hillary Clinton than Hillary Clinton. I invited, then disinvited Gennifer Flowers because I wanted to highlight how you were willing to place almost all of the blame of an affair your husband had on HER because your husband was your ticket to more fame and fortune. You would be some nameless lawyer at some law firm without your husband and you knew it so you threw Gennifer Flowers under the bus and swallowed your pride to save your husband for the sake of your ambitions. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/123 "2016-09-28T01:26:54Z")
Donald, “worst, self serving, smear, horrible, disinvited, blame, fortune, pride, ambitions”? Pot, meet the fools gold painted kettle. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/124 "2016-09-28T22:52:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You guys might find it comforting to think some clever line is gonna devastate The Donald and help Hillary, but Trump is absolutely going to wipe the floor with her. He’s gonna bring up lie after lie after lie. He’s gonna bring up Bill’s endless stream of girlfriends and assault victims and Hillary’s participation in or going along with the portrayal of them as bimbos, and then lambaste her for having the audacity to call herself the woman’s candidate. He’s gonna bring up her health and long history of blood clots and fainting and concussions and special eyeglasses and how much she’s aged just since she ran against Obama eight years ago. He’ll probably also bring up allegations of her saying some form of “Fuck you or Fuck off” to her protectors in the Secret Service and Arkansas Highway Patrol and heighten her image as an ill-tempered, unlikeable bitch on wheels. Plus lots of other stuff I have no idea of. > > Hillary Clinton very likely has nightmares about these debates. And she should. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/125 "2016-09-29T01:50:43Z")
The guy who’s on his third wife, can’t stop sniffling, and is Trump, is going to talk about somebody _else’s_ infidelity, health, and temperament. And it will work. Right. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/126 "2016-09-29T02:04:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The guy who’s on his third wife, can’t stop sniffling, and is Trump, is going to talk about somebody _else’s_ infidelity, health, and temperament. Man, Monday night when Trump autobackpatted about not saying nasty things about Hillary, you could see me shiver with antici I was there on the couch, shouting, “SAY IT! SAY IT MOTHERFUCKER! SAY IT!” Because you know Clinton was ready for him to say it, ready to contrast his total classlessness with her classiness. I suspect she was as disappointed as I was that he didn’t stoop that low, and I suspect she is hoping, as I am, that he’ll do it in the next debate. Short of reaching back and grabbing a handful of shit to fling at her, it’s the best thing he can do to reveal his character to voters who haven’t yet noticed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/127 "2016-09-29T02:13:10Z")
Wait. Does Trump know about her relationship with Cher? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/128 "2016-09-29T02:28:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Wait. Does Trump know about her relationship with Cher? What, she left Oprah? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/129 "2016-09-29T02:36:46Z")
Oprah? That’s just something on the internet, nobody knows how these things get started. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/130 "2016-09-29T08:51:23Z")
One zinger she might pull off, if the right opportunity presents itself, would be to casually drop these two words: **"Please proceed."** ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/131 "2016-09-29T09:53:10Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > 1. A list of all the things Trump says he’ll accomplish without having ever explained how. “How’s that magic wand of yours working, Mr. Trump? And why haven’t you offered to put it in the service of this country before now?” I suppose it would be beneath her to go on and say “Because it isn’t big enough?” But if he were to raise the whole infidelity thing, all she’s got to say is something like “For all his faults, I stood by my commitment to my husband. I didn’t declare the marriage bankrupt and walk away to leave someone else to deal with the mess, I didn’t trade him in for a newer model. I decided to stay the course. And that’s what a President should do.” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/132 "2016-09-29T11:43:30Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > I suppose it would be beneath her to go on and say “Because it isn’t big enough?” > > But if he were to raise the whole infidelity thing, all she’s got to say is something like “For all his faults, I stood by my commitment to my husband. I didn’t declare the marriage bankrupt and walk away to leave someone else to deal with the mess, I didn’t trade him in for a newer model. I decided to stay the course. And that’s what a President should do.” That’s awesome – seriously. Send it to her campaign. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/133 "2016-09-29T14:44:19Z")
“Because my husband is a dick dynamo! I don’t have time to keep him in trim, so I outsource it. Long as I get what I need, why be stingy? 'Course, when he uses his knob to make decisions, he’s not the brightest bulb, can any of you other ladies relate? Thought so…” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/134 "2016-09-29T18:53:29Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > I suppose it would be beneath her to go on and say “Because it isn’t big enough?” > > But if he were to raise the whole infidelity thing, all she’s got to say is something like “For all his faults, I stood by my commitment to my husband. I didn’t declare the marriage bankrupt and walk away to leave someone else to deal with the mess, I didn’t trade him in for a newer model. I decided to stay the course. And that’s what a President should do.” Trump: Yeah you stayed the course. Are you saying that a woman whose husband cheat on her still has some sort of commitment to her husband? C’mon! You didn’t stay with Bill because you’re committed to marriage, you stayed with bill because your political ambitions would have die right there if you left Bill Clinton. Everybody knows it and the more you try to deny it the more uncomfortable you look. If you are going to lie as much as you do, you should at least try not to be so bad at it. I mean your lies are so transparent that even people that are voting for you think you’re a liar. This is true. Just look at the polls. YUUUGE. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/135 "2016-09-29T18:56:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Because my husband is a dick dynamo! I don’t have time to keep him in trim, so I outsource it. Long as I get what I need, why be stingy? 'Course, when he uses his knob to make decisions, he’s not the brightest bulb, can any of you other ladies relate? Thought so…” Well, I suspect that you haven’t heard the legends about me. Don’t let these hands fool you. YUUUUGE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/136 "2016-09-29T20:42:24Z")
I was going to do this, but it turns out I don’t have the time: is anyone willing to go through live analysis of the zingers (like from Frank Luntz’s dial sessions [https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz](https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz)) and compare the results of the dial sessions to the proposed zingers. Like if someone posted to this thread that Trump should attack her health/stamina, and compare that to the dial reactions of when Trump tried to attack her stamina? I’m curious who had the best/worst proposed zingers from an audience reaction perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/137 "2016-09-29T20:43:57Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I was going to do this, but it turns out I don’t have the time: is anyone willing to go through live analysis of the zingers (like from Frank Luntz’s dial sessions [x.com](https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz)) and compare the results of the dial sessions to the proposed zingers. Like if someone posted to this thread that Trump should attack her health/stamina, and compare that to the dial reactions of when Trump tried to attack her stamina? I’m curious who had the best/worst proposed zingers from an audience reaction perspective. Here’s a summary I found of audience reactions (not sure if there’s a better one): [http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/1045/Dcor\_Debate%20Dials\_Deck\_09.27.2016\_For%20Release.pdf](http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/1045/Dcor_Debate%20Dials_Deck_09.27.2016_For%20Release.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/138 "2016-09-29T20:47:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Trump: Yeah you stayed the course. Are you saying that a woman whose husband cheat on her still has some sort of commitment to her husband? C’mon! You didn’t stay with Bill because you’re committed to marriage, you stayed with bill because your political ambitions would have die right there if you left Bill Clinton. Everybody knows it and the more you try to deny it the more uncomfortable you look. If you are going to lie as much as you do, you should at least try not to be so bad at it. I mean your lies are so transparent that even people that are voting for you think you’re a liar. This is true. Just look at the polls. YUUUGE. “Who has the stronger moral compass, the one who stood by her man, or the man who’s cheated on his wives?” Infidelity is simply not a thing Trump can hit Clinton with and succeed. For every Lewinsky or Flowers Trump pulls out, Clinton has a Mrs. Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/139 "2016-09-29T20:52:48Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > 1. A list of all the little guys that Trump has cheated out of their money just because he could. (OK, not _all_ of them; there are time limits here.) From Trump University to all the tradesmen and small contractors and USA Freedom girls, to the guy who got cheated out of the $1M hole-in-one at the Trump charity golf event. As an example of what I’m saying: Clinton attacked Trump for cheating his contractors. The dial sessions showed that it was a devastating attack. Among Trump’s core (non-college-educated whites), over 70% approved of Clinton’s attacks. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444/140 "2016-09-29T21:35:23Z")
Oh where are you, **Staving Artist** , to regale us with tales of Donald’s debating superiority? I’ve missed you! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-hillary-by-giving-her-a-great-debate-zinger/766444.md?page=8)