# Help me defend the Moon landing! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473 "2014-09-14T13:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/41 "2014-09-15T00:54:02Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > . . . an enormous mulit-national _multi-generational_ conspiracy of unbelievable proportions. Those are the **BEST** kind! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/42 "2014-09-15T02:55:14Z")
This is like defending against 9/11 or Earth-is-Flat CTs. Itā€™s futile. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/43 "2014-09-15T03:28:26Z")
can he prove that not enough Tang and water could be taken? he would need no other proof. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/44 "2014-09-15T03:43:04Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > Iā€™m not sure what kind of engineer he is, all I know is he designs those little widgets used to detect loss of air pressure in run-flat tyres, whatever discipline that is, Widgetology maybe. :dubious: Excuse me? Widgets to detect the loss of air pressure in tires? Cā€™mon, what is this, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century or something? We clearly donā€™t have the technology to somehow magically detect a loss of air pressure in a tire! I mean, how would that even work?!? Earlier this year, my car had a slow leak in one of her tires. I didnā€™t personally notice the tire had gone flat; the first I knew about it was when I started her up and the ā€œlow tire pressureā€ warning light lit up. Clearly, my car is a witch. Sheā€™s one of the good witches though, like [Samantha](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Elizabeth_Montgomery#mediaviewer/File:Elizabeth_montgomery_1967.JPG), not the Wicked Witch of the West or something. ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/45 "2014-09-15T04:20:51Z")
[quote=ā€œLearjeff, post:6, topic:698473ā€] Good point! Hereā€™s a video opining that we didnā€™t have the technology to _fake_ it at the time: [/QUOTE] Thank you! That was really fun. My best friendā€™s mom believes that the moon landing was faked. (Well, that was years ago, but it shocked me as a teenager!) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/46 "2014-09-15T04:38:50Z")
We donā€™t have technology to go to the moon today. The Saturn V could put 45 tonnes into Lunar Orbit, the best systems today can put about 30 tonnes in low earth orbit. Thatā€™s right, the Saturn V could put a 50% heavier payload to the moon than what can be done into LEO today. Why did they ever stop making those thing Iā€™ll never know. ā˜¹ To the OP. Ask your cousin to get his head [around this engineering issue.](http://xkcd.com/1074/) Although admittedly that leaves Apollo 9 to be explained. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/47 "2014-09-15T04:47:11Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > Iā€™ve used those arguments, he kept coming back to the engineering aspect, which is why Iā€™m wondering how I can counter _that_ argument. Because the engineers that the US used werenā€™t weak-minded ninnies who spend their time thinking that f=m\*a wonā€™t work and waste away their lives with conspiracy theories and circular arguments. It is far more documented that the US put men on the moon than you idiot cousin has an engineering degree. His piece of paper is a forgery. Nobody as stupid as him could have actually graduated high school, much less gone to college. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/48 "2014-09-15T04:49:44Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What is scary, is that some of these CTā€™ers are apparently intelligent people. Not really. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/49 "2014-09-15T05:11:47Z")
Iā€™ll admit that a few years ago when all this fake moon landing stuff came out, and being a bit of a conspiracy buff, I slightly fell for it. Meaning that I wondered if maybe NASA might have faked at least one moon landing? But now with the Japanese satellite photos and all I am sure every moon landing was right on the money. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/50 "2014-09-15T06:03:29Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > :dubious: Excuse me? Widgets to detect the loss of air pressure in tires? Cā€™mon, what is this, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century or something? We clearly donā€™t have the technology to somehow magically detect a loss of air pressure in a tire! I mean, how would that even work?!? Yep. Iā€™m a software engineer, so I can say with some confidence that thatā€™s impossible. > [@](#): > > Earlier this year, my car had a slow leak in one of her tires. I didnā€™t personally notice the tire had gone flat; the first I knew about it was when I started her up and the ā€œlow tire pressureā€ warning light lit up ā€¦and you are part of the conspiracy. Nice try, but youā€™ll never convince me. NEVER. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/51 "2014-09-15T06:10:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What is scary, is that some of these CTā€™ers are apparently intelligent people. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > Not really. Despite my mockery above, I think some are. You can be very intelligent yet be ignorant of certain things / have blind spots. Especially if you start to think of yourself as smart (and therefore immune to believing in nonsense). If I had the time Iā€™d research a list of eminent believers in BS CTs. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/52 "2014-09-15T06:36:56Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > On a sidenote, couldnā€™t those have been emplaced by unmanned landers? Or was _that_ not technologically feasible at the time? We didnā€™t have the engineering to land on the moon, but we had the engineering to land on the moon? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/53 "2014-09-15T06:58:05Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > We didnā€™t have the engineering to land on the moon, but we had the engineering to land on the moon? Getting people there and safely back isnā€™t the same thing as dropping a payload. Iā€™m not sure if we could have sent some robotic system to place the mirrors but the requirements are quite different. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/54 "2014-09-15T07:02:27Z")
Actually according to this list it seems we did land non-manned craft on the moon prior to sending people. > **[List of artificial objects on the Moon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_man-made_objects_on_the_Moon)** > > This is a partial list of artificial materials left on the Moon, many during the missions of the Apollo program. The table below does not include lesser Apollo mission artificial objects, such as a hammer and other tools, retroreflectors, Apollo Lunar Surface Experiments Packages, or the commemorative, artistic, and personal objects left by the twelve Apollo astronauts, such as the United States flags, the commemorative plaques attached to the ladders of the six Apollo Lunar Modules, the silver... ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/55 "2014-09-15T10:04:47Z")
Iā€™m old enough to remember the unmanned Luna, Surveyor, and Ranger landers. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/56 "2014-09-15T11:32:17Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Getting people there and safely back isnā€™t the same thing as dropping a payload. Iā€™m not sure if we could have sent some robotic system to place the mirrors but the requirements are quite different. Aligning the mirror was something that required human hands and our robotics technology just wouldnā€™t be up to snuff. Today we could probably do it if we wanted, robotics has undergone massive improvements. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/57 "2014-09-15T11:40:19Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > We donā€™t have technology to go to the moon today. The Saturn V could put 45 tonnes into Lunar Orbit, the best systems today can put about 30 tonnes in low earth orbit. Thatā€™s right, the Saturn V could put a 50% heavier payload to the moon than what can be done into LEO today. Why did they ever stop making those thing Iā€™ll never know. ā˜¹ > ā€¦ Not for much longer. > **[NASA's New Mega-Rocket for Deep Space Will Be Launch Ready by 2018](https://www.space.com/26964-nasa-mega-rocket-2018-sls-test-launch.html)** > > NASA's first test launch of its new mega-rocket, the Space Launch System, will blast off by November 2018, a year later than planned. See the Space Launch System's progress here. > [@](#): > > NASA new mega-rocket, a towering booster designed for deep space missions, will be ready for its first test flight no later than November 2018, space agency officials announced Wednesday (Aug. 27). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/58 "2014-09-15T11:47:37Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Despite my mockery above, I think some are. > > You can be very intelligent yet be ignorant of certain things / have blind spots. Especially if you start to think of yourself as smart (and therefore immune to believing in nonsense). > > If I had the time Iā€™d research a list of eminent believers in BS CTs. Itā€™s interesting that while many otherwise intelligent people have fallen for CT nonsense, in the Fake Moon Landing crowd the ā€˜leadersā€™ are complete and utter idiots with fraudulent credentials: Kaysing had to pretend to be an ā€˜inside engineerā€™ to try and get respect (and intimidate laymen who saw through his BS). He was never more than a writer. Ralph Rene also inflated his credentials, claiming to be a physicist and engineer. He was lying. That guy who Buzz Aldrin slapped (Bart Sibrel) claimed to be a director of all sorts of things but was never more than a videographer for local TV. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/59 "2014-09-15T12:19:03Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Not for much longer. > [NASA's New Mega-Rocket for Deep Space Will Be Launch Ready by 2018 | Space](http://www.space.com/26964-nasa-mega-rocket-2018-sls-test-launch.html) Wait a minute ā€“ the video of the launch was faked, for NASA admit that the rocket does not even exist! NASA is at it again! Thatā€™s proof that there never was a moon landing! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/60 "2014-09-15T12:27:10Z")
> [@Disposable Hero](#): > > He loudly and with authority proclaimed that the Moon landing was impossible as back in the 60ā€™s they simply didnā€™t have the technology available to perform it. Exasperating nonsense! The government had had access to the Roswell crash technology since 1947. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473.md?page=4)