# Help me defend the Moon landing! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 14, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473 "2014-09-14T13:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/81 "2014-09-16T14:04:15Z")
> [@orangeapples](#): > > That rings a bell for me, too. Maybe it was in a recent truther thread in Great Debates. I’ma look for that later when I’m not boarding via phone. I think I mentioned it recently - it’s “The Salem Hypothesis” [Salem Hypothesis - RationalWiki](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Salem_Hypothesis) “In any Evolution vs. Creation debate, a person who claims scientific credentials and sides with Creation will most likely have an Engineering degree.” ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/82 "2014-09-16T18:22:15Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > I think I mentioned it recently - it’s “The Salem Hypothesis” [Salem Hypothesis - RationalWiki](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Salem_Hypothesis) > > “In any Evolution vs. Creation debate, a person who claims scientific credentials and sides with Creation will most likely have an Engineering degree.” Ah, thanks. I’d forgotten to go looking like I said I would, so I checked here first to see if someone else did the heavy lifting. Which you did. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/83 "2014-09-16T19:18:10Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I, for one, welcome our new Lunarian overlords. I believe they prefer to be called [Selenites](http://couldthishappen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/le-voyage-dans-la-lune-a-trip-to-the-moon-georges-melies-movie-still-5.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![JerrySTL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e274bd/32.png) [@JerrySTL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerrySTL)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/84 "2014-09-16T20:21:10Z")
Some of my favorite quotes on such subjects. Don’t argue with fools. They have much more practice at it. Arguing with a fool is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It can’t be done and just annoys the pig. Who is the bigger fool: The fool or the person arguing with a fool. You might think that an engineer can’t possibly be a fool. Wrong. Hang around with enough engineers and you really start worrying about the people who designed, say, your car or the aircraft that you are flying on. ---
**Author:** ![aa6vh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@aa6vh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aa6vh)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/85 "2014-09-16T20:32:41Z")
Well, we might have actually landed on the moon, but we sure did fake that manned Mars trip. (It was unfortunate about the loss of Capricorn One, but fortunately Elliout Gould was able to detect the consipracy and expose it.) ---
**Author:** ![Subterraneanus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Subterraneanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Subterraneanus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/86 "2014-09-16T20:38:05Z")
> [@Learjeff](#): > > I saw Apollo 16 take off with my high school … Damn, I wish they had taken off with my high school. _badump_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/87 "2014-09-16T21:39:39Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > There is a small subset of engineers (Lawyers, doctors etc) that are very educated in one small field. Thanks, but I’m not an engineer - I’m a technician. It is widely accepted though that if you have a doctorate in any field (medicine, English literature, nutrition, insect biology etc.) you are entitled to list yourself as “Dr.” when expounding on all subjects (no matter how unrelated they are to your field of expertise), thus gaining great respect for your beliefs and advice.\* If you are a tire engineer, you undoubtedly have the knowledge to expound on aerospace engineering issues, and if you have a doctorate, your advice on thyroid problems would be invaluable as well. \*Example: Dr. Ralph Moss, “expert” on alternative medicine remedies for cancer (he sells “Moss Reports” for $297 each), whose doctorate is in Latin studies. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/88 "2014-09-17T01:31:07Z")
> [@eclectic\_wench](#): > > I swear I recently read something saying that, of all the science-based professions, engineers are the most likely to believe in conspiracy theories. . . Of course there’s the old joke: > [@](#): > > A mathematician, a physicist, and an engineer were all given a red rubber > ball and told to find the volume. The mathematician carefully measured > the diameter and evaluated a triple integral. The physicist filled a > beaker with water, put the ball in the water, and measured the total > displacement. The engineer looked up the model and serial numbers in > his red-rubber-ball table. Several people have spoken to the technology of the times. And to his feeling that he is the center of the universe. It would probably not be effective to tell him that other engineers thing he’s a (redacted). Just because he needs training wheels doesn’t mean that the other kids can’t ride a bike. To continue the metaphor, yes, the guys at NASA rode unicycles in the sixties and seventies. Unicycle riding is not impossible. Piker. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/89 "2014-09-17T06:43:48Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Well, the Van Allen belts are hazardous…if you decide to pitch a tent in an orbit that intersects one. However, the average peak charged particle flux from solar sources is actually a greater hazard for the duration of a lunar trajectory. Basically, the only way you can buy that rationale is being completely ignorant of the effects of exposure levels and durations. > > Stranger That they are completely ignorant about pretty much everything goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2014, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/90 "2014-09-17T06:48:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I believe they prefer to be called [Selenites](http://couldthishappen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/le-voyage-dans-la-lune-a-trip-to-the-moon-georges-melies-movie-still-5.jpg). You tell them that when looking down the barrel of a [scrooch gun.](https://www.flickr.com/photos/60585948@N00/39372874/) ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/92 "2014-09-19T00:07:59Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Like all CT’ers he is avoiding and denying the huge volumes of data and people involved. There is simply no way thousands of people could keep such a secret. And keep it over, and over again as we performed manned moon landings 6 times… This x 10. There is simply no remotely reasonable way that a moon hoax could have been kept secret all of these years. _Someone_ would have caved in under the pressure of living a lie, or maybe just for the million-dollar contract they would get from a publisher to go live with their new “tell all” insider biography. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/93 "2014-09-19T02:12:05Z")
> [@robert\_columbia](#): > > This x 10. > > There is simply no remotely reasonable way that a moon hoax could have been kept secret all of these years. _Someone_ would have caved in under the pressure of living a lie, or maybe just for the million-dollar contract they would get from a publisher to go live with their new “tell all” insider biography. I’m surprised this kind of book hasn’t already come out! Some jackass really needs to write it, and make a stinking bundle of money! (Hm… Anybody here want to co-write a book?) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2014, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/94 "2014-09-19T03:45:54Z")
I am not going to help you or anyone else defend the moon landing. At this point, any moon-landing deniers – and 9/11 deniers etc – are intent on being so, and you’re just wasting your time and breath. Fuck 'em. I and presumably you have better things to do. ---
**Author:** ![bahinko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecae2f/32.png) [@bahinko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bahinko)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/95 "2016-01-01T14:52:45Z")
I don’t understand why anyone has never mentioned or remembers that during the space race both the Russians and the USA were closely watching each others progress. This went way, way beyond just being highly competitive. So my logic says that if the Russians had determined that the American’s moon landings were fake then you could bet your life that they would be the first to loudly blow the whistle. They wanted to be first in that event very much. Remember the sputnik and the first manned orbit was a Russian first that started the space race. In other words the fact that the Russians remained silent is absolute proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that the moon landings were real! There is no greater proof! ---
**Author:** ![rsat3acr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/96 "2016-01-01T15:39:42Z")
see post number two Zombies on the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/97 "2016-01-01T16:54:14Z")
Point a gun at him and ask him if the technology exists to fire a bullet through his brain. Then explain that getting to the moon just requires more gunpowder. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/98 "2016-01-01T20:01:47Z")
You people have me scared out of my sox–only ONE poster mentioned anything about the doofus being linked to automobile tires! WE’RE ALL DOOMED! ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/99 "2016-01-03T09:59:10Z")
The Japanese recently did a detailed mapping of the moon which included the Apollo sites. They are there. Granted they are hard to see. But then thats the case with objects far away which tend to blend into the background. For example on Earth the smallest object one can see on the moon from a telescope is I believe, 100 miles wide. ---
**Author:** ![Me\_Billy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e480ec/32.png) [@Me\_Billy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Me_Billy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/100 "2016-01-03T15:29:17Z")
Historians tend to think older peoples and civilizations were DUMB! “How could they possibly have built Stonehenge?” “How could they possibly have built the pyramids?” “And now how could they have gone to the moon?” Etc. People were no less smart in past times. Just think of all the smart people we have around now and just remove some of the modern technology/tools. They could STILL think of ways to do these things. For example, could a group of engineers without modern tools figure out a way to move those large stones 200 miles to Stonehenge? Well same thing back then. Hint… [http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/20\_mule\_team3/20mule\_team\_furnace\_creek.jpg](http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/20_mule_team3/20mule_team_furnace_creek.jpg) Early electronics hint… [Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer) ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473/101 "2016-01-03T17:10:34Z")
> [@Me\_Billy](#): > > Historians tend to think older peoples and civilizations were DUMB! > > “How could they possibly have built Stonehenge?” > > “How could they possibly have built the pyramids?” > > “And now how could they have gone to the moon?” > > Etc. > > People were no less smart in past times. Just think of all the smart people we have around now and just remove some of the modern technology/tools. They could STILL think of ways to do these things. > > For example, could a group of engineers without modern tools figure out a way to move those large stones 200 miles to Stonehenge? Well same thing back then. > > Hint… > [http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/20\_mule\_team3/20mule\_team\_furnace\_creek.jpg](http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/20_mule_team3/20mule_team_furnace_creek.jpg) > > Early electronics hint… > [Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer) On that first link, it’s totally 'shopped, look at the shadows–totally fake. People were poor back then, and nobody would have had 20 mules, and even if someone did, you’d never get them to walk in a straight line right behind each other like that. On the second link, that’s just pathetic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-defend-the-moon-landing/698473.md?page=6)