# Help me ID this piece by Beethoven?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [November 19, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988 "2015-11-19T16:26:08Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/21 "2015-11-19T22:36:26Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> If you like Vivaldi, try out Leopold Mozart (Wolfgang’s papa.) His [“Peasant’s Wedding”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L3Df4YwdxM) and [“Musical Sleigh-Ride”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEEtKy9lYKU) are delightful. (Both are much more obviously “programmatic” than Vivaldi, but jolly good fun.)
I just finished listening to both of these, and they are delightful! 🙂
I Googled the sleigh ride prints, BTW, and confirmed they were all from Currier and Ives!
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/22 "2015-11-19T22:39:03Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#):
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> Note: Händel (or “Haendel” if you follow the convention of writing “ae” for “ä”) was the original, German spelling of his name. When he moved to England, he spelled it “Handel,” without the um laut. He also apparently spelled it “Hendel” when he was in Italy.
Yes, I know. I write it that way because I always use the German pronunciation and seldom feel like searching for and inserting an umlaut.
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### Author:  [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zuzu_s_Petals)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/23 "2015-11-19T22:54:30Z")
I’m glad I started this thread. I’m learning way more than just what that piece of music was. 😃
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/24 "2015-11-19T22:56:36Z")
> [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](#):
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> I’m glad I started this thread. I’m learning way more than just what that piece of music was. 😃
Always happy to be of service! 😃
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/25 "2015-11-19T23:01:16Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> It was the “Sesame Street” production of the adagio from his Guitar (or Lute) concerto that did the trick.
Believe it or not, for me it was the kid practicing his guitar around the campfire in John Wayne’s _ **The Cowboys** _.
My God, this is a beautiful piece! It literally just moved me to tears! :o
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/26 "2015-11-19T23:17:17Z")
If you want a really haunting tune, listen to this piece from Haendel. It was used in a BBC documentary on Auschwitz, and it gave me the chills!
Now that you're thoroughly depressed, listen to this tune of his that I've always wanted played at my wedding, if I ever have one:
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TGKJ9MgCOQ)
Wonderful! :o
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/27 "2015-11-19T23:28:20Z")
Speaking of documentaries, this one is fascinating (well, it is to me, anyway):
Enjoy! :)
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### Author:  [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zuzu_s_Petals)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/28 "2015-11-19T23:57:25Z")
You’ve probably all heard this, but this is what first made me really stop and listen to a piece of classical music and think, “My god, this is awesome…”
Second movement, starting at 3:58. (At first I thought it was from the Double Violin Concerto, and was going mad trying to find it…!)
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-diVJD0fIo)
**terentii** , I love that piece from The Cowboys. And the young cowboy who rides up alongside John Wayne at about 1:45 looks a LOT like Tom Nardini from Cat Ballou, though I don’t think it’s him.
For comparison, here’s Nardini, first seen at :40. [Cat Ballou - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvwmWqmzSXE) (Along with a rather delectable Jane Fonda, plus Nat King Cole, Stubby Kaye and Lee Marvin.)
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### Author:  [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zuzu_s_Petals)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/29 "2015-11-20T00:01:44Z")
> [@terentii](#):
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> If you want a really haunting tune, listen to this piece from Haendel. It was used in a BBC documentary on Auschwitz, and it gave me the chills!
Oh my gosh. That’s incredible. Not depressing on its own, though – just very powerful and poignant. Thanks for that. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/30 "2015-11-20T00:11:42Z")
> [@terentii](#):
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> Beethoven’s 7th Symphony. Second movement.
I asked about that here in 2008. One of my favourites.
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/31 "2015-11-20T04:34:52Z")
> [@terentii](#):
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> If you want a really haunting tune, listen to this piece from Haendel. It was used in a BBC documentary on Auschwitz, and it gave me the chills!
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> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3y6ouy1rQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3y6ouy1rQ) . . .
Used to more pleasant effect in Kubrick’s Barry Lyndon.
(Sometimes you can’t win: Frederick the Great’s [“Hohenfriedberger March,”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEy4GNMJq0) also used in Barry Lyndon, was a favorite march of the Nazi regime. Bummer, because it’s such a jolly fun bit of militaria!)
(“Nazis. I hate these guys.” Indiana Jones.)
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/32 "2015-11-20T08:03:37Z")
> [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](#):
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> You’ve probably all heard this, but this is what first made me really stop and listen to a piece of classical music and think, “My god, this is awesome…”
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> Second movement, starting at 3:58. (At first I thought it was from the Double Violin Concerto, and was going mad trying to find it…!)
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> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-diVJD0fIo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-diVJD0fIo)
**[Voice of Radar O’Reilly]:** Ahhh, Bach! :o
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/33 "2015-11-20T08:04:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> Used to more pleasant effect in Kubrick’s Barry Lyndon.
Wasn’t that after his son died and he got his leg shot off? :dubious: 😕😉
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/34 "2015-11-20T08:09:16Z")
> [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](#):
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> The young cowboy who rides up alongside John Wayne at about 1:45 looks a LOT like Tom Nardini from Cat Ballou, though I don’t think it’s him.
It’s this guy. He was in a lot of movies and TV shows back in the late '60s (well, that’s when I remember him from, anyway).
> **[A Martinez](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Martinez)**
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> Adolfo Larrue Martínez III (born September 27, 1948), credited as A Martinez, is an American actor and singer. He had roles in the daytime soap operas Santa Barbara, General Hospital, One Life to Live, The Bold and the Beautiful, and Days of Our Lives, and the primetime dramas L.A. Law, Profiler, Longmire and Dark Winds. His feature films include The Cowboys (1972), Powwow Highway (1989), Curse of Chucky (2013), Ambulance (2022) and Far Haven (2023).
> Martinez was born Adolfo Larrue Martínez II...
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/35 "2015-11-20T08:17:03Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> Sometimes you can’t win: Frederick the Great’s [“Hohenfriedberger March,”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEy4GNMJq0) also used in Barry Lyndon, was a favorite march of the Nazi regime.
I used to play in a fife and drum corps, many years ago. _Hohenfriedberger_ was one of my favorite tunes too (and not because of the Nazi connection).
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/36 "2015-11-20T08:28:53Z")
> [@Zuzu\_s\_Petals](#):
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> Oh my gosh. That’s incredible. Not depressing on its own, though – just very powerful and poignant.
> **[Sarabande](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarabande)**
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> The sarabande (from Spanish: zarabanda) is a dance in triple metre, or the music written for such a dance.
> The Sarabande evolved from a Spanish dance with Arab influences, danced by a lively double line of couples with castanets. A dance called zarabanda is first mentioned in 1539 in Central America in the poem Vida y tiempo de Maricastaña, written in Panama by Fernando de Guzmán Mejía. In 1596, Alonso López, "el Pinciano", traces its origins even to the cult of Dionysus. The dance seems to have...
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### Author:  [@Les\_Espaces\_Du\_Sommeil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Les_Espaces_Du_Sommeil)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/37 "2015-11-20T14:38:14Z")
> [@terentii](#):
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> The last couple of years, I’ve gotten into Italian composers of the 17th and 18th centuries, especially Vivaldi. Everyone knows (or at least recognizes) “The Four Seasons,” but his concertos for lute, mandolin, and oboe are sublime! :o
As well as his cello concertos (e.g. the [Cello Concerto in B minor, RV 424](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IANobzLw0o8)) or his bassoon concertos (e.g. the [Bassoon Concerto in D minor, RV 481](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVwyKZShQKI) or, for a more programmatic work, the [Bassoon Concerto in B-flat, RV 501 “La Notte”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKVx48CVZv8), just listen to the bassoon pyrotechnics starting around 2:10. And the ending “Sorge l’Aurora” at 6:27 is so picturesque).
He wrote hundreds of concertos (check the list on wikipedia, it’s [astonishning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Antonio_Vivaldi#Concertos.2C_sinfonias.2C_sonatas)). I can’t listen to his music too often because I end up finding a bit samey after a while but it’s good from time to time and some pieces do stand out, like these three.
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/38 "2015-11-20T21:20:25Z")
> [@terentii](#):
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> Wasn’t that after his son died and he got his leg shot off? :dubious: 😕😉
I thought it was his son who shot his leg off…
(By the way, the movie is better than the book…)
Anyway, I was thinking of the opening credits.
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### Author:  [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)
#### Post date: [November 20, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/39 "2015-11-20T21:38:24Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> I thought it was his son who shot his leg off…
His stepson, IIRC. His natural son was killed riding his new horse.
I think “Sarabande” is played toward the end of the movie as well, after he’s hit rock-bottom. But the last time I saw it was back around 1984, so I could be mistaken.
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [November 21, 2015, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-id-this-piece-by-beethoven/737988/40 "2015-11-21T03:15:16Z")
Aye, it’s been a while. I saw it only once, in the theater.
It’s a beautiful film, visually. Just pretty as anything, with all those lovely candlelit salons, and then the battle scene… A visual treat. And the music is a true delight.
The plot, characters, and drama…maybe not so much. Still, c’mon, is any one of us ever gonna make a move half as good?
re music, my personal trajectory was backward into time, to an enjoyment of Elizabethan/Shakespearean music, then Renaissance music. Some of you may be [David Munrow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSSSg5NSgE) fans: he was really starting to make a name for himself with Renaissance music for films.
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