# Help me make a Democratic Christian flyer **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 23, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676 "2012-10-23T23:07:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676/1 "2012-10-23T23:07:35Z")
Even here in Arkansas, where it’s almost certainly going to go Romney and whoever your Republican congressperson is, we’ve been getting a lot of Republican campaign flyers. The one that bugs me the most is this one that comes from the Christian Coalition, which pretends to be impartial. You can read the [flyer I got (PDF)](https://s3.amazonaws.com/VoterGuides/2012+Voter+Guide+AR+House1.pdf) or [see the ones for your state](http://www.cc.org/download_2012_voter_guides). I was almost going to pit them, but I decided that us getting angry about this is pointless Instead, I think we should create a counter-flyer that still hits on the issues (fundamentalist) Christians care about, but takes the bias the other direction. I’d do it myself, but I need help coming up with questions. Plus many of you guys are smarter than me, especially in this area. Most of the questions on the original flyer aren’t so much misleading as they are cherry picked to make the Republican look good. So I need some of those for Democrats. But a few are truly misleading\*, so I’m okay with a few of those, too. Examples that I’ve come up are “Plans to make abortion illegal” (something that’s usually an issue that hasn’t come up this time) and “Plans to make homosexual marriage illegal” (a misleading statement because no candidate wants to make marriage itself illegal, just the recognition by the state.) I do also plan to make the current misleading ones not misleading. Examples: They say “Voluntary prayer in public schools and facilities,” which no one doesn’t support (although they claim “unknown” on the Democratic candidate). I say we point out that both support this. They say “Maintaining current federal law defining marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman,” which obviously isn’t the case, seeing as some states have allowed SSM, so I plan to convert it to “change.” They say “Vouchers that allow parents to choose private school for children” which implies that children won’t be able to attend private schools under Obama. I say we make it clear that they mean “paying” you to place your kid in private school or home school, and maybe throwing in the word entitled. Thus “Children are entitled to have their homeschooling or private school paid for.” Okay, so maybe that last one is a bit misleading. I don’t care. I think one needs to fight fire with fire. If they think my flyer is misleading, I’ll just point out that theirs is, too. So will you help me? I don’t care if the only people I can get to read it are my parents. I just need to fight the bias. EDIT: one quick slight rant: They actually made me have to sign up to distribute the flyers in order to get the link. I just hope they like information from Anne O. Naunimus. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676/2 "2012-10-24T00:14:48Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > They say “Maintaining current federal law defining marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman,” which obviously isn’t the case, seeing as some states have allowed SSM, so I plan to convert it to “change.” State law =/= federal law. For right or wrong (okay, for wrong), current federal law _does_ define marriage as between a man and a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676/3 "2012-10-24T02:08:23Z")
American Values Network: > **[The American Values Network](https://www.americanvaluesnetwork.org/)** > > The American Values Network is speaking out and organizing on behalf of the left out and left behind Here’s one higher octane angle > [@American Values Network](#): > > GOP leaders and conservative pundits have brought upon themselves a crisis of values. Many who for years have been the loudest voices invoking the language of faith and moral values are now praising the atheist philosopher Ayn Rand whose teachings stand in direct contradiction to the Bible. Rand advocates a law of selfishness over love and commands her followers to think only of themselves, not others. She said her followers had to choose between Jesus and her teachings. > > GOP leaders want to argue that they are defending Christian principles. But, at the same time, Rep. Paul Ryan (author of the GOP budget) is posting facebook videos praising Rand’s morality and saying hers is the “kind of thinking that is sorely needed right now.” Simply put, Paul Ryan can’t have it both ways, and neither can Christians. As conservative evangelical icon Chuck Colson recently stated, Christians can not support Rand’s philosophy and Christ’s teachings. The choice is simple: Ayn Rand or Jesus Christ. We must choose one and forsake the other. More: [The American Values Network](http://americanvaluesnetwork.org/policy/) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676/4 "2012-10-24T17:15:42Z")
“Supports marriage as the best path forward for a couple in love to ensure the fidelity and commitment.” “Is a confirmed Christan believer” “Favors helping those in need as Jesus commanded us.” “Wants us to be good stewards of gods world” “supports rules to keep companies from poisoning our air, and water” “Believes that the wealthy should pay their fair share” “Opposes giving tax payers money to wealthy defense contractors to waste on expensive projects that our military commanders don’t even want” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-make-a-democratic-christian-flyer/638676/5 "2012-10-29T02:20:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > State law =/= federal law. For right or wrong (okay, for wrong), current federal law _does_ define marriage as between a man and a woman. My point is that that is misleading, not untrue. Sure, it’s so defined, but it doesn’t stop same sex marriage being allowed by the states, unlike, say, how the Controlled Substances act means that marijuana is illegal even if the states allow it. And sorry I haven’t gotten back to the thread before now. I saw the low turnout and just assumed that it fizzled. I tend to forget to come back to threads unless they remain popular. But it does sound like you guys have some good ideas. It’s probably too late to do pamphlets, but I could at least post on Facebook. So far, my only posts on Facebook that are political were in response to other Democrats, so I don’t think I would have worn out my welcome. If anyone else wants to help me, come on right ahead. And if you want to say that I’m stupid for wanting a biased pamphlet instead of an unbiased one, go ahead and explain why you think it’s a bad idea. I’m honestly surprised there wasn’t even a little bit of a debate there. BTW, I think MfM’s statement could be summed up as: “Supports avowed atheist and her non-Biblical morals.” Sound good? I’m afraid of getting any more specific, as I believe some people have been convinced that Rand is Christian. Maybe I could fit in “put yourself before others”, but I’m not sure.