# Help Me Not Be a Vegetarian! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 24, 2003, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862 "2003-12-24T16:26:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![skeptic\_ev](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@skeptic\_ev](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skeptic_ev)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/81 "2003-12-26T22:01:25Z")
I would just like to point a few things out. 1. Actually, studies that link saturated fat to higher risk factors for heart disease, etc., have tended to examine the typical American diet which is also high in unrefined carbs such as sugar and white flour. The few studies that have been done on diets high in fat and protein and low in unrefined carbs show a distinct improvement of risk factors such as the HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio, blood pressure, etc. Of course more research needs to be done, and I don’t know if we’ll ever truly understand the human body’s nutritional needs, but there’s enough conflicting evidence out there that you can’t just assume that any study you read is valid. 2. This is for **blonde** : refusing to address my point about the morality of killing mosquitoes to prevent malaria or taking antibiotics to kill bacteria by saying you were only talking about cows is evading the question. If you only have a problem killing living things that you can easily anthropomorphize–well, that’s your choice, of course, but it seems a bit hypocritical to me. 3. I think there are valid reasons to adopt a vegetarian lifestyle, but I don’t think that there are valid reasons for _everyone_ to adopt a vegetarian lifestyle. That being said, I don’t mind when you (the nameless vegetarian) try to convince me with rational and well-though-out argument that your way is _the_ way. I just don’t happen to agree at this point. 4. All the previous points I have brought out, in this and other posts, do not negate the fact that if a vegetarian, vegan, piscetarian, or even fruitarian were a guest in my home, I would do my best to accomodate his or her dietary restrictions, as would, I suspect, most non-vegetarians. ---
**Author:** ![hlanelee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@hlanelee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hlanelee)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/82 "2003-12-26T23:15:45Z")
In an earlier post I pointed out that I am vegetaran or carnivore according to my mood and/or finacial situation. I recall another circumstance. About two months ago a friend of mine, Frank, asked if I would help him castrate hogs for a few bucks, you can’t eat male hogs if you don’t castrate them well before you butcher them. I went and helped Frank one Saturday, we castrated a few dozen hogs and I didn’t even get bit, this is rare. I really appreciated getting a few bucks for cutting hogs, but I could not bring myself to eat nuts and gravy on grits, one of Frank’s grandmother’s specialties. ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/83 "2003-12-27T01:44:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoCoolUserName \* > \*\*Whew! It took some time but, thanks to the nearly infinite wisdom and knowledge of the SDMB, here is the cite: > [PCRM magazine](http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/GM01Summer/GM01Summer08.html) has some details. \*\* PCRM is apparently a mouthpiece for PETA. See [here:](http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=1272) : > [@](#): > > People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) is using a private foundation called Foundation to Support Animal Protection to funnel as much as $432,000 to PCRM, which promotes itself as an independent medical organization. > The American Medical Association’s opinion about PCRM is unequivocal, saying that it “finds the recommendations of PCRM irresponsible and potentially dangerous to the health and welfare of Americans.” In a separate public censure, the AMA “continues to marvel at how effectively a fringe organization of questionable repute continues to hoodwink the media with a series of questionable research that fails to enhance public health.” > While PCRM claims to be primarily a network of doctors, the group’s own literature shows that physicians make up less than 5% of its membership. Furthermore, the group’s member physicians represent less than 0.5% of America’s doctors. Far from being an unbiased source of health guidance, PCRM has asserted itself as a home for anti-meat, pro-vegan zealots who are committed to removing beef, dairy, poultry, and other animal products from our diets. Also, aren’t there some vitamins (B12, I think? Correct me if I’m wrong) that can only come from meat or supplementation? And I’m with the other poster who reminded us of all the little animals that get killed to harvest all the vegetables and grains. Apparently it’s ok to kill little animals (rabbits, voles, mice, etc) that live in fields, but it’s not ok to kill big animals (cows, pigs.) Anyway you cut it, something dies. Might as well enjoy the meat. Archergal, meat eater ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/84 "2003-12-27T03:23:14Z")
Also, from[here:](http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html) > [@](#): > > Davis proposes a ruminant-pasture model of food production, which would replace all poultry, pig and lamb production with beef and dairy products. According to his calculations, such a model would result in the deaths of **300 million _fewer_ animals annually (counting both field animals and cattle) than would a total vegan model**. This difference, according to Davis, is mainly the result of fewer field animals killed in pasture and forage production than in the growing and harvest of grain, beans, and corn.(emphasis added) There’s better ways to be kind to animals than being a vegetarian. At least IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/85 "2003-12-27T04:32:25Z")
Well, it’s clear that I’m surrounded by a group of ravenous carnivores – so I’ll leave you with one thought: We don’t own the earth, and do not have a God-given right to rape, ravage and smite down everything that is less powerful than our man-made weapons. My children will not, despite your efforts, grow up to learn than animals are dispensable objects, fit only for slaughter. And that’s a fact, Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Psalex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Psalex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psalex)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/86 "2003-12-27T05:15:41Z")
Not surprised this discussion is full of high emotion- when the rights of people are questioned, we bristle- this is the nature of those of us lucky enough to live in the free world. I am a vegetarian- no beef, no fish, no chicken, no flesh. I do eat dairy, and eggs when unavoidable (such as those cooked in breads or other baked goods) I don’t defend my right to refuse a steak, nor do I feel the need to defend my right to have a glass of milk. To each his own. Why do I eat fake chicken nuggets and fake hamburger patties? Because I need the protein (usually soy or another bean product), and because I like mustard, hot sauce, bbq sauce, sweet and sour sauce and many other spicy condiments that quite frankly would taste like shi\* on a raw carrot. No, I do not always get enough protein. Though my hair is shiny and appears healthy, it breaks off just below shoulder length and will not grow longer in spite of the supplements I take. My nails also grow quickly and long, but are very thin and flexible instead of rigid. Because the food I eat is not very calorie rich, I am hungry most of the time, and can out eat any carnivore if bulk instead of calories were measured. On the other hand… I can eat a colossal serving of ice cream anytime I want, without gaining a pound. I will gladly trade a double cheeseburger for a carton of Moose Tracks. My hemotacrit is between 45-49 each time I donate blood- unusually high for a woman and I have never been anemic. My cheeks are pink, my muscles are toned and well-defined, and I have tons of energy. For me, the vegetarian lifestyle is healthy. But if I were pregnant, if I were told that my growing fetus was not getting enough protein, then I would buy a calf from the nearest farm and force it down. Most of us who choose an alternate diet are reasonable enough to have considered our (and our familys’) nutritional requirements and make informed choices about our meals. I feel that animals raised for consumption can be killed humanely. I feel that the packing industry is regulated (much like the oil industry) by some dirty politics and controlled by lobbyists who serve those who reap considerable financial gain by cutting corners and loosening regulations. The general public is not always privy to the workings of major industry. Many scams have been exposed by whistleblowers. PETA definitely has some very aggressive tactics to draw attention to their cause. I don’t agree with all of their methods, but I have to admire their tenacity in trying to expose some tragically inhumane practices. Luckily there are also insiders who agree that the packing industry needs improvement- here is another [link](http://www.grandin.com/welfare/corporation.agents.html) link to Temple Grandin’s website- If you don’t have time to read her bio, please scan this page of Best Practices- and to abbreviate for those who aren’t interested in the cite- both McDonald’s and Wendy’s have been converting their beef packing plants to the more humane and sanitary models recommended by Grandin. There are more choices than just Meat or No Meat- it is possible to patronize grocery stores and restaurants based on humane practices. If you wouldn’t spend your money on clothing sewn by six year olds in third world countries, then do the same research on your favorite restaurants and grocery stores. You don’t have to personally kill your own cow, but you can certainly purchase beef from a source that reliably provides the most sanitary and humane conditions for the livestock. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/87 "2003-12-27T05:18:30Z")
**Blonde** : You have no right to inject wackball politics or half-baked theories into my meals. Your tactics will convince nobody but your compadres, and will warn away any reasonable person from the very idea of vegetarianism. That’s a fact, Jack. ---
**Author:** ![initech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/439d5e/32.png) [@initech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/initech)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/88 "2003-12-27T07:03:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blonde \* > \*\*Well, it’s clear that I’m surrounded by a group of ravenous carnivores – so I’ll leave you with one thought: > > We don’t own the earth, and do not have a God-given right to rape, ravage and smite down everything that is less powerful than our man-made weapons. My children will not, despite your efforts, grow up to learn than animals are dispensable objects, fit only for slaughter. > > And that’s a fact, Jack. \*\* Not ravenous. I just had some soup. I do in fact own a 50x100ft section of the earth, and I can prove it. I have papers. I am unequivocally against the raping of livestock. I imagine butchering is a form of ravaging, so I am okay with ravaging. “Smiting down” livestock has a punative connotation. I don’t really have a problem with cows, they’re just tasty. You seem increasingly upset that everyone here doesn’t share your indignation. If you believe this to be a true moral outrage, I see your reasoning in fighting the good fight. Just keep in mind that 1) you might be wrong, and 2) you don’t control what your children will grow up to learn. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![compton\_homie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@compton\_homie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/compton_homie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/89 "2003-12-27T14:53:01Z")
I think maddox sums this up nicely… [http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#PETA:D](http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#PETA:D) ---
**Author:** ![skeptic\_ev](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@skeptic\_ev](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skeptic_ev)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/90 "2003-12-27T15:40:54Z")
> [@](#): > > We don’t own the earth, and do not have a God-given right to rape, ravage and smite down everything that is less powerful than our man-made weapons. I’ll agree with you that we don’t own the earth, **Blonde** , and also that we should respect the earth and its inhabitants, but we _do_, in fact, have a God-given right to eat meat. Genesis 9:3 reads, “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you.” If it bothers your conscience to eat meat, as I can see that it does, then certainly you should not do so. It is not correct, however, to invoke God as a means for dissuading other people from eating meat, as you can see from the above scripture. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/91 "2003-12-27T16:07:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bbeaty \* > \*\* > > There’s nothing inherently wrong with eating your own pets, and chickens/pigs are easily on the mental level of dogs and cats (if not even higher.) \*\* True, pigs are supposed to be as smart or smarter than dogs. But have you ever _owned_ a chicken? I have. Chickens are not very bright, no where near as bright as a cat or dog. But then, I don’t enjoy eating them because their intelligence level, I eat them because like the taste. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/92 "2003-12-27T18:36:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blonde \* > \*\*Well, it’s clear that I’m surrounded by a group of ravenous carnivores – so I’ll leave you with one thought: > \*\* Actually, we’re omnivories. There’s a difference. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/93 "2003-12-27T18:57:07Z")
I fail to see why it is necessary to shove one’s belief system down someone else’s throat on the subject of dietary choices. You are entitled to enjoy your own diet and lifestyle, and entitled to your opinion on mine. You are also entitled to share that opinion with me, and I will listen politely, but once you have ascertained that I do not agree with you, you are NOT entitled to keep ragging on about it. It’s flat-out rude. (“You” and “your” are used in this post as generalities and do not necessarily single out any one poster. However, if you find that the shoe fits…) ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/94 "2003-12-27T19:40:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blonde \* > \*\*1. Wrong. Please do not make me pull out all the cites as to the new, improved food recommendations. > > 1. Bullshit. You’ll die from heart disease and/or obesity before I die of thyroid problems. > > 2. Great, but does “feeling better” (in your own mind) mean that it’s OK to slaughter cows? > > 3. I was trying to keep the debate simple: why do you eat cows? > > And, I’m still waiting for a good answer. \*\* Some cites on why Soy is not the best protein replacement sources. [http://www.brinkzone.com/soy.html](http://www.brinkzone.com/soy.html) (particularly the section on athletes, and btw, athelete means someone who is actively maintaining a healthy workout schedule, it doesn’t refer ONLY to NFL members and so on. If you train and workout efficiently and regularly, you’re an athlete.) [http://www.rense.com/health3/soyp.htm](http://www.rense.com/health3/soyp.htm) Note that soy causes estrogen levels to rise. Estrogen is one of the hormones that mother nature gives us women that “tells” our bodies “hey, HEY!!! You must maintain a certain percentage of bodyfat!!! You might have a baby again someday”. Excessive soy consumption may cause estrogen levels that can slow fat loss. It should be noted that some in the fitness industry believe that side of the issue, and some don’t. I personally think it has merit, though I do NOT think it’s a blanket excuse for not following an otherwise healthy eating plan (in other words, if you can’t lose weight, you can’t whine "but I’m a vegetarian female, soy makes me retain fat). At any rate, you asked for a reason that we meat eaters would kill cows. For food. So far I haven’t seen, or experienced any compelling reasons to become vegetarian, or vegan. ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/95 "2003-12-28T01:44:42Z")
For the record, I’m agnostic, and not a vegan. It’s rather childish to assume I should go live in the forest because I choose not to eat animal flesh. My 2 arguments as to why we should be vegetarians were: 1. It’s a healthier lifestyle (I’m not saying there aren’t any obese vegetarians, but I guarantee you the McDonald’s crowd has a better chance of landing face-down in their Happy Meal at an early age.) 2. Animals feel pain, and I choose not to kill them, as it’s no longer necessary that I do so to survive. I am always amazed at those who draw a line between “pets” and “food” - that pet frog your kiddo loves could be dinner in your local restaurant. I cannot “control” what my children do when they grow up - and they eat whatever they like. However, they understand why I’m a vegetarian. It’s called planting a seed in someone’s mind (rather like when I’m asked how I maintain my figure - I say, “I exercise, and I’m a vegetarian.”) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/96 "2003-12-28T02:29:35Z")
**Blonde** : The animals we raise for food aren’t in pain. They don’t die of starvation or disease or the predation of wolves. They live charmed lives in comparison to their wild cousins, something that includes their mode of death. What other animal do you know is guaranteed a quick, painless death? What animals do you know of are always put down humanely if they get a terminal disease, and are treated if they get a curable one? Pets and food. That’s it. Wolves aren’t clean killers. They have no concerns about causing pain or preserving the dignity of their kill. They hector the prey, they chase it around until it drops of exhaustion, and they rip out its intestines. They eat it while it’s living, of course, and it dies in extreme pain. Starvation is only marginally better, in terms of pain felt. Animals aren’t slaves. They have no freedom, even in the wild, and they cannot be brought up to the state of natural dignity humans are born with. The best they can hope for is a well-fed, comfortable life and a quick, painless death. Which is what we provide. Think of this: If everyone, or even most people, turned off meat, what would happen to the cattle? Or the sheep? Would you want to turn them out into the wild, or would you guarantee them a humane death? Because nobody wants an 800-pound cow as a pet. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/97 "2003-12-28T02:38:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blonde \* > \*\*2) Animals feel pain, and I choose not to kill them, as it’s no longer necessary that I do so to survive. I am always amazed at those who draw a line between “pets” and “food” - that pet frog your kiddo loves could be dinner in your local restaurant. > > I cannot “control” what my children do when they grow up - and they eat whatever they like. However, they understand why I’m a vegetarian. It’s called planting a seed in someone’s mind (rather like when I’m asked how I maintain my figure - I say, “I exercise, and I’m a vegetarian.”) \*\* The problem is that your lifestyle, as I pointed out above, still results in animals being killed. You are still as responsible for their deaths as the rest of us. It is necessary for them to die in order for you to survive. You simply choose to believe that since you are not eating them, you are not responsible for any animal deaths. Go back and read my post above. Oh, and saying your lifestyle is healthier than Omnivores because of people who eat McDonalds all the time is disingenuous. Your diet is not necessarily healthier than a good Omnivorous diet. You simply chose to believe that it is because it suits your sense of moral outrage, as demonstrated by your previous posts. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/98 "2003-12-28T02:38:29Z")
This subject seems to bring out the worst in some of us. I grew up on a farm and can remember as a child watching animals being slaughtered at family reunions. Later I participated in those killings. I realized that there was a difference in enjoyment of the flesh of animals I killed as opposed to those that came wrapped from the grocery store. It has been a long time since I had to personally kill for food, but if circumstances prompted, I could easily fall back into that familiar role. However, I live in a metropolitan area and for the most part don’t bother myself with the life and death struggles that always seem to be taking place somewhere else. I buy an occasional steak from the grocer, cook it myself, and try to enjoy it. But, I can still see the fear in the eyes of the animals I killed. Living on the farm, I had the opportunity to catch animals all the time, and there was always a different look in the eyes of the ones being caught or led to slaughter. They knew what was coming. Even though I still eat meat, I can understand why **Blonde** is ultimately right in her beliefs about animals and their right to coexist with us. I believe everyone should take a look at this cite! [http://www.vegecyber.com/others/about\_vegetarianism.shtml](http://www.vegecyber.com/others/about_vegetarianism.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/99 "2003-12-28T03:19:59Z")
\*Originally posted by Derleth \* \*\*The animals we raise for food aren’t in pain. \*\* Have you personally visited a slaughterhouse - are you sure about that? **Animals aren’t slaves. They have no freedom, even in the wild, and they cannot be brought up to the state of natural dignity humans are born with. The best they can hope for is a well-fed, comfortable life and a quick, painless death. Which is what we provide.** I’m confused - if they aren’t slaves, why don’t they have freedom? I know a fair amounts of humans who haven’t maintained the natural dignity they are “born with.” \*\*Think of this: If everyone, or even most people, turned off meat, what would happen to the cattle? Or the sheep? Would you want to turn them out into the wild, or would you guarantee them a humane death? Because nobody wants an 800-pound cow as a pet. \*\* I’d love to have an 800-pound cow as a pet. I imagine there would more of them around than, say…snow leopards. ---
**Author:** ![skeptic\_ev](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@skeptic\_ev](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skeptic_ev)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862/100 "2003-12-28T03:49:10Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Blonde_ > > For the record, I’m agnostic, and not a vegan. My apologies, **Blonde**. Based on your assertion that we do not have a “God-given right” to kill animals, I assumed that you are religious and would thus recognize my point as relevant. As the old saw goes, “That’s what happens when you assume …” Just out of curiosity, what kind of vegetarian are you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-not-be-a-vegetarian/220862.md?page=6)