So, Dr. Jackson, all those married people in wonderful, loving relationships, like Dangerosa’s should just cut their partner off? Lysistrata is the answer?
Also,** drewder**, the Depo Provera shot, I understand, can have some lag time between stopping the injection and the return of fertility. I was told it could be up to a year.
That’s actually a side-effect of Depo and some other female BC methods. I believe oral BC has a higher rate of miscarriage if you get pregnant within the first 3-6 months of going off of it. I got pregnant the month I stopped taking it and I did miscarry. Of course there is no way of knowing why.
I’ve yet to see any indication that this male injection is meaningfully different than the shot, except that it has to be done weekly (which is not realistic, IMO.) In terms of side effects it sounds basically similar.
I was on Depo for nearly a year and I almost killed myself, but I didn’t realize how profoundly it was affecting my depression until I stopped taking it.
I was told that the pill could impact my fertility for a year or more. By a reproductive endocrinologist. So, yeah, there is a cool down period.
That list of shitty side effect is why women are posting that men seem to be a bunch of whiners. Because we’ve all known that there is increased (very slight) risk of a heart attack or embolism or hypertension or stroke from hormonal birth control - for years. But its the easiest way to make sure you don’t have a pregnancy you don’t want. And as Memon has said - it isn’t like pregnancy itself is risk free for a woman.
On the plus side, its surprising how fast you can get a vasectomy done when you are properly motivated. I seriously doubt it was a week between the come to Jesus meeting and his bag of frozen peas.
Possible pain at the injection site is common for all injected medicine. Feeling like you got punched in the arm in exchange for a year of influenza protection is an OK tradeoff. A kick in the ass to get a few months of birth control sounds less so, but worth it for many.
If I understand it correctly, this is a weekly spot in the groin region. Two or the days feeling like you got racked in the buts every week may present a bit of a marketing challenge.
Is the study being halted them giving up, or is it a back-to-the-drawing-board kind of thing?
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come to Jesus meeting…
Though that was 1 out of the 300+ people who had severe injection site pain.
If the shot were weekly, and you could do it in a muscle - its probably possible to self administer. I gave myself fertility shots in the butt (my husband did most of them - he handled that part - but he was out of town for a set or something, because I did a few) and plenty of people give themselves insulin. That would increase its failure rate from its clinical rate. But if 99.6% of people only have modest or low pain from the injection - and you can give yourself the shot at home - that seems like a surmountable problem.
When I was in college in the early 1990s, we had a lecture about STDs and the professor kept talking about the percentage of women who do or do not use condoms. 
I raised my hand and asked him, “On what part of a woman’s body does she wear a condom?” and the class rumbled and he just sputtered.
I suspect I was not the only person who was thinking that, and it was the first time anyone had ever asked a question like that. :dubious:
Come the fuck on, how many people [like me] shoot up with insulin MULTIPLE TIMES PER DAY. Are you suggesting that it is impossible to learn to give yourself a damned shot once a week? Be freaking real. Hells bells, people learn to do things like shove in feeding tubes, catheters to piss, change shit bags … if you want something done, you learn to do it.
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Well from what I can see nobody should be taking Depo anyway. In fact you can’t take it longer than 2 years without risking osteoporosis. But oral BC does not have any fertility effects once you stop taking it. The article the in the OP said it was a bi-monthly injection.
Read the whole cite. One study suggests that there is no delay in a return to fertility. Most studies have shown a six to twelve month delay to full fertility. That isn’t “oral BC does not have any fertility effects once you stop taking it” - that’s one study has shown no lag, while the majority of previous studies have shown that there is.
the largest and best study that is.
Still doesn’t over ride many other studies over the years as being a definitive answer. Has anyone else reproduced the results? The article doesn’t say.
If most studies say one thing, and another study comes along that says something different, you don’t take the results at face value.
Moreover, how do you know it was the largest and best study. Your cite says neither.
Finally, the study was funded by a company that makes birth control pills. Which doesn’t mean the results are bad, but does mean they need to be reproduced by someone without a vested interest in the results.
Honestly though if you’re a doctor who is going to prescribe a treatment, or a drug company creating a treatment, to a patient are you really supposed to take social justice into account?
It doesn’t matter if female contraception sucks. The fact of the matter is this is a drug which causes all manner of problems to a male’s body without ANY therapeutic health benefit to the patients health. So you’re balancing the issues created by the injections against a complete lack of any upside besides the fact that he may have to pay child support in the future which is a non-medical problem.
With female birth control you can weigh the problems created against the problems associated with pregnancy and can say that you are helping her by preventing her body from going through that process.
And THAT is why women are pissed and making all those snide Facebook comments. Guys want all the fun of sex, but they don’t want the burden of the risks. The drug companies don’t think they will, the doctors don’t think they will, and here you are admitting that guys wouldn’t want to bother. Its not worth it to you to make sure we don’t get pregnant. In the meantime, we’ve faced those risks for 50 years - while simultaneously having the government thinking that the contents of our uterus is their business - because its expected of us.
Sometimes we SHOULD just go Lysistrata on your asses.
Cosmetic surgery serves even less medical purpose than male birth control, but is fairly routine.
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And THAT is why women are pissed and making all those snide Facebook comments. Guys want all the fun of sex, but they don’t want the burden of the risks. The drug companies don’t think they will, the doctors don’t think they will, and here you are admitting that guys wouldn’t want to bother. Its not worth it to you to make sure we don’t get pregnant. In the meantime, we’ve faced those risks for 50 years - while simultaneously having the government thinking that the contents of our uterus is their business - because its expected of us.
Sometimes we SHOULD just go Lysistrata on your asses.
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Truuuuuuuuth! Thank you!
Hell yes. And the attitude that we should carry all the burden is just as toxic as the ‘‘poor wittle mens can’t handle birth control’’ attitudes excoriated by the OP.
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From reading the article I have to say the question isn’t men are babies for not wanting an injection, rather should women be taking the pill at all.
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I’m generally a pacifist, but I would fight wars to protect women’s access to contraception. It is my opinion that the pill is one of the single greatest things ever to happen for women’s rights. For the first time in history, we can choose when and how to have children. If those side effects are the price we have to pay for our freedom, so be it. But any man would do well to recognize that the medical cost of that freedom has been historically borne by women and that the basic assumption that women, and only women, are responsible for contraception is yet another load of bullshit we’ve had to deal with. You are dead right that life is not fair. But we have a responsibility, as moral citizens, to right as many of those wrongs as we possibly can. This is one with a promising fix.
Insulin is given subcutaneously, as you know - NOT in the scrotum, as this appeared to be.
Oh, I suppose it could be injected into the scrotal skin, but I would imagine most men wouldn’t think of it.
The shot was in the butt, not a huge deal. As I’ve said, I’ve done that to myself