# Help me respond to anti-vax guy I know **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [December 15, 2021, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093 "2021-12-15T07:56:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/41 "2021-12-21T17:59:10Z")
That’s when you walk away. 🎶Know when to walk away Know when to run 🎶 ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/42 "2021-12-21T19:14:23Z")
I hear you all. I’m avoiding this dude. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Hoogly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Mr\_Hoogly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Hoogly)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/43 "2021-12-28T12:21:40Z")
You’ve lost me comparing typhoid to covid ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Hoogly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Mr\_Hoogly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Hoogly)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/44 "2021-12-28T12:25:39Z")
If you’re not elderly or vulnerable though, why take a ‘vaccine’ (not a vaccine) for something so mild when the ‘vaccine’ isnt properly tested, does have side effects and won’t stop you spreading anything? Your immune system is there to fight off colds and flu viruses. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/45 "2021-12-28T14:17:58Z")
Because of the rate of death between vaccinated patients and unvaccinated patients is roughly 14-1 not in favor of the unvaccinated. That is **DEATH** , not mild illness. This is not a cold or a flu. This is a crisis. This is a pandemic. I just lost my oldest friend to this kind of weak arguments and misinformation. COVID got him, he was dumb enough to not get vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/46 "2021-12-28T14:38:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > If you’re not elderly or vulnerable though, why take a ‘vaccine’ (not a vaccine) for something so mild when the ‘vaccine’ isnt properly tested, does have side effects and won’t stop you spreading anything? Your immune system is there to fight off colds and flu viruses. - Drinking _water_ has side effects. What you need to evaluate is the severity and prevalence of side effects compared to the disease. You obviously have little understanding on how the immune system works and it’s limitations. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/47 "2021-12-28T14:57:31Z")
Your immune system is there to fight off infections, which is precisely why you should take vaccines that are in fact vaccines, which have been tested more thoroughly than any other medicine in history, in order to protect the elderly and vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/48 "2021-12-28T15:19:45Z")
> [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > If you’re not elderly or vulnerable though, why take a ‘vaccine’ (not a vaccine) for something so mild when the ‘vaccine’ isnt properly tested, does have side effects and won’t stop you spreading anything? Your immune system is there to fight off colds and flu viruses. That’s a strong accusation. Could you please cite what it would take for a drug to be properly tested and what the shortcomings are for the current batch of covid vaccines WRT how they were tested? Even if you don’t think it’s been properly tested, keep in mind that there’s been over 8 Billion doses given over the past year or so. Have there been any significant problems attributed to it at a higher rate than any other vaccine? “why take a ‘vaccine’ (not a vaccine) for something so mild” I’m sorry, “something so mild”, it may be mild for some, but there’s 5 million people who might not feel the same way. Also, what do you mean by “not a vaccine”? You’ll have to explain that to me. “Your immune system is there to fight off colds and flu viruses.” So what. Why not help it out? “won’t stop you spreading anything?” That’s a fundamental misunderstanding by someone that’s trying their best to understand all this, but it’s also a rallying cry from anti-maskers/vaxxers (why get the shot if you’ll still get sick/if you got the shot, why are you still wearing a mask). People that get vaccinated are less likely to get sick. If they get sick, they’re less likely to spread it, less likely to end up in the hospital and almost certainly not going to die from it. [![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/immunity.png) ](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/immunity.png) Alt-text: > This plan may sound appealing to people who know a little about the immune system, but the drawbacks are clear to people who know a lot about the immune system and also to people who don’t know anything about it. Once again: _This plan may sound appealing to people who know a little about the immune system, but the drawbacks are clear to people who know a lot about the immune system and also to people who don’t know anything about it._ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/49 "2021-12-28T15:29:49Z")
An M.D. has just lost her California medical license for “gross negligence”, due to granting blanket vaccine exemptions for at least 8 children (not for Covid-19 vaccines). Mary Kelly Sutton has called acute infections “an exercise class for the immune system”.\* See, a full-on raging infection is just a beneficial workout for your immune system, but vaccines that don’t make you sick but just prime the system to block disease are somehow causing untold havoc. \*on her Twitter account recently she railed against “medicofascists” and “planned worldwide genocide”, so I have a feeling she may not be real gung-ho on Covid-19 vaccines either. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/50 "2021-12-28T17:00:54Z")
I bet the coward won’t address what’s been said… if they respond at all. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/51 "2021-12-28T18:33:59Z")
Moderating: > [@Mr\_Hoogly](#): > > If you’re not elderly or vulnerable though, why take a **‘vaccine’ (not a vaccine)** for something so mild when the **‘vaccine’ isnt properly tested** , does have side effects and won’t stop you spreading anything? Your immune system is there to fight off colds and flu viruses. The portions I bolded are, in the opinion of the SDMB staff, dangerous misinformation. The covid vaccines are true vaccines (scare quotes are inappropriate) and they have been properly tested. You have previously been instructed not to make such assertions without valid citations from reliable sources. > [@Help me respond to anti-vax guy I know](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/23): > > Moderator Note This is a reminder that the Straight Dope’s purpose is fighting ignorance, not spreading it. The Quarantine Zone here is also largely a fact-based forum. If you want to post baseless nonsense, I think you’ll find places like Reddit and Facebook more accepting of it. Here, we expect you to be able to back up your assertions with facts that can be cited. If you want to make posts like this, feel free to do so in the Pit, where you can rant about whatever you want and you can call… This is an official warning. If you persist in posting baseless fearmongering about covid vaccine and treatments, you will be banned entirely from the topic, and possibly banned from the forum. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/52 "2021-12-28T18:38:35Z")
Moderating: > [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I bet the coward won’t address what’s been said… if they respond at all. This is QZ, not the pit. Don’t insult other posters. If there’s a problem, you can report it or refute it politely. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/53 "2021-12-29T12:49:48Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > An M.D. has just lost her California medical license for “gross negligence”, due to granting blanket vaccine exemptions for at least 8 children (not for Covid-19 vaccines). Mary Kelly Sutton has called acute infections “an exercise class for the immune system”.\* Made this ages ago in response to the Wakefield/measles thing, but sadly it still applies. [![](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Gyrate/windshield.jpg) ](https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Gyrate/windshield.jpg) (Hope that’s actually visible.) ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093/54 "2021-12-29T18:41:48Z")
Ouch. My mistake. I forgot we were in another forum, but I’m aware of the rule. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-respond-to-anti-vax-guy-i-know/956093.md?page=2)