# Help me understand...why are people calling it a 'Muslim ban'? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701 "2017-01-31T21:40:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/81 "2017-02-03T20:16:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What does “fully assimilate” mean? Let me guess…step 1: abandon one’s religion if it happens to be _that_ religion; step 2: stop looking like _those_ people. Bad guess… I am fully for free exercise and no establishing. I will admit to being a poor communicator though. I always make total sense to myself. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/82 "2017-02-03T20:22:58Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Step 1. “I, Donald J. Trump, am calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.” > > Step 2. Per Rudy Giuliani in the link above, Trump put together a team to tell him how he could institute a Muslim ban legally. They basically came up with this EO. > > Step 3. “This isn’t a Muslim ban.” \ 1. Look up “until” 2. Giuliani is a liar:D 3. It’s not a very good one anyway :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/83 "2017-02-04T00:07:11Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Bad guess… I am fully for free exercise and no establishing. You misunderstand. I meant that’s what Trump supporters likely consider the term to mean. > [@](#): > > I will admit to being a poor communicator though. I always make total sense to myself. Don’t we all, Cuz; don’t we all? ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/84 "2017-02-04T00:21:36Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What does “fully assimilate” mean? Let me guess…step 1: abandon one’s religion if it happens to be _that_ religion; step 2: stop looking like _those_ people. Yep, they view the “war on white/western/christian culture” to be that they will have to share, most would not be happy unless Republican, Christian immigrants were coming in. They are willing to throw away freedoms to protect power, and as Monty pointed out they only want to let that power go to them. > [@](#): > > “So for one thing, this is the Democratic Party fighting for its life. If they don’t get to keep bringing in Third Worlders – and I ought to say, since 1970 we’ve been bringing in more than a million immigrants a year, 90 percent are from the Third World, and post-1970 immigrants are voting 8 to 2 for the Democrats. This isn’t some wild speculation on my part. That is what has happened. It’s what happened to your state, California, the state that gave us President Nixon and President Reagan. We’ll never elect a Republican statewide. Soon that will be the entire country,” – Ann Coulter ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/85 "2017-02-04T00:45:55Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Yep, they view the “war on white/western/christian culture” to be that they will have to share, most would not be happy unless Republican, Christian immigrants were coming in. Speaking of that, it’s nothing new. Shortly after the end of World War II, European spouses of American service members were greeted with “We are the same people…thank you for your willingness to contribute to the United States…we welcome you.” Japanese spouses of service members, on the other hand, were simply prohibited from immigrating and also prohibited from receiving command sponsorship in Japan. Even to this date, spouses of service members still have to be vetted in a rather insulting and invasive set of processes before even getting married. For well over two years, the military area commander responsible for running that program in parts of Asia without a US major command present did not have the program in place–meaning those service members and thir intended spouses could not get married without getting the service member in serious trouble and denying a chance at command sponsorship to the spouse.In 2003 (maybe it was 2004), while I was at university, I did a term project on that issue. I was extremely saddened by the result of the survey that was part of the project, a random survey of students on campus. It’s bigotry, pure and simple. I’m done pretending with even family members who support Trump that they voted for him out of bigotry. Trump campaigned on the fear of bigots. You know why? That son of a bitch is a bigot, too. Don’t believe me? Ask Blacks who tried to rent from the cur. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/86 "2017-02-04T00:52:19Z")
I meant that I’m done pretending with family members that said family members who voted for Trump did so out of anything other than bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![baccer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@baccer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/baccer)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/87 "2017-02-08T06:13:51Z")
It’s being called a Muslim ban because it’s the game the left plays with everything. When Obama does it, it’s a very needed step to insure terrorists don’t get into the country. When Trump does it, it’s an evil fascist Muslim ban. Let Chucky tell you. [- YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULkINCDiIA) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/88 "2017-02-08T06:21:15Z")
> [@baccer](#): > > It’s being called a Muslim ban because it’s the game the left plays with everything. When Obama does it, it’s a very needed step to insure terrorists don’t get into the country. When Trump does it, it’s an evil fascist Muslim ban. Let Chucky tell you. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULkINCDiIA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULkINCDiIA) Obama did not stop immigration or the issuing of visas. [The process was tightened and as a result visas took longer.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/30/donald-trump/why-comparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/) > [@](#): > > First, Obama’s suspension was in direct response to a failed plot by Iraqi nationals living in Bowling Green, Ky., to send money, explosives and weapons to al-Qaida. The two men were arrested by the FBI in May 2011 for actions committed in Iraq and trying to assist overseas terrorist groups. > > Both had entered the United States as refugees after lying about their past terrorism ties on paperwork. One man worked as a bombmaker in Iraq, and the FBI even matched his fingerprints to an unexploded IED discovered in 2005 in Iraq, raising questions about the thoroughness of the vetting process. > > It should also be noted that Iraqi refugees were still admitted to the United States every month in 2011, though there was a significant drop after May of that year. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2017, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701/89 "2017-02-08T08:06:53Z")
> [@baccer](#): > > It’s being called a Muslim ban because it’s the game the left plays with everything. When Obama does it, it’s a very needed step to insure terrorists don’t get into the country. When Trump does it, it’s an evil fascist Muslim ban. Let Chucky tell you. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULkINCDiIA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULkINCDiIA) The actual answer to the question, complete with relevant differences, was posted in the first 20 posts. Please _read_ the thread before replying to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-understand-why-are-people-calling-it-a-muslim-ban/778701.md?page=4)