# Help me write my generic indie film for Sundance! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 24, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273 "2010-01-24T21:01:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/1 "2010-01-24T21:01:41Z")
So I’ve decided to write a smash Sundance Film Festival indie film. It is going to be interesting and quirky and unique, just like every other indie film. So far, for actors I’ve signed up Alan Arkin, Zach Braff, Toni Collette, Zooey Deschanel, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jason Schwartzman, Peter Skaarsgard, Luke Wilson and a few others. Of course I’ll throw in some nobodies and a couple of big names in small but important roles as well. Like Bill Murray can be the estranged dad or Ed Norton can be a drug dealing half-brother or something. And I’ll need a hot up-and-coming actress to play the love interest. Maybe Megan Fox wants an academy award? I have the soundtrack already picked out with stuff by Fleet Foxes, Imogen Heap, Nick Drake, Regina Spektor, Wilco, The Shins and maybe some deeper Coldplay or Radiohead tracks. The setting will be someplace nondescript. Maybe Boston’s suburban North Shore or some nth tier city like Hartford, CT. Now I just need to decide if my story will be a tale of (check all that apply): Self discovery Reconcilliation Love Forgiveness Self loathing Coming of age ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/2 "2010-01-24T21:23:32Z")
Make sure your hero is a nondescript, mopey, arrested adolescent 30-something guy with self-esteem issues and who works at a low-level dead end job. His love interest must be a cute [Manic Pixie Dream Girl](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl). By sheer virtue of her flighty, eccentric charms, she will inspire him to break through his self-imposed limitations and become a Responsible Adult. Bonus points if the MPDG is dying of some incurable disease. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/3 "2010-01-24T21:39:54Z")
[Already been done.](http://bit.ly/dirtygarage) “I’ll be your poop, if you’ll be my buh-utt!” — haw haw haw. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/4 "2010-01-24T21:47:01Z")
Gotta go with self discovery and coming of age. That way you get the Boomers on nostalgia and the Ys because its their demographic. And as long as you get someone other than Megan Fox (who’s hot, but not indie enough), then you’ve made a fan outta me. Think an updated version Parker Posey and fresher than Ellen Page. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/5 "2010-01-24T21:49:28Z")
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**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/6 "2010-01-24T21:52:13Z")
Remember: the less sense your movie makes the more indie it is. It’s not just throwing shit together. It’s, like, a deep allegorical exploration of the human condition man. ---
**Author:** ![MatthewGerlach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@MatthewGerlach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MatthewGerlach)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/7 "2010-01-24T21:53:56Z")
Radiohead, Nick Drake and Coldplay would sound more like **self loathing** for doing something that cost someone something, and then **forgiveness** at the end for whatever they did by some next of kin or the victim himself. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/8 "2010-01-24T23:56:40Z")
Or you can just go with a score completely written, composed and performed by Colin Hay. Be sure to end the film on as flat and anti-climactic note you can. Preferably at some random point, where it feels like there should be more coming, or some sort of resolution. It only adds to the poignant tone and risky (but brilliant) direction. Also, your title sequence should be composed of hand-drawn looking fonts, and mundane shots of the characters doing mundane things like washing the dishes, riding their bike to work (wearing a helmet), eating cereal, or sleeping. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/9 "2010-01-25T00:12:26Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > Make sure your hero is a nondescript, mopey, arrested adolescent 30-something guy with self-esteem issues and who works at a low-level dead end job. I’d like to create something where the main character’s quarter-life crisis seemlessly evolves into a mid-life crisis. And I need someone with the awkward ernestness of Michael Cera, but who hasn’t become as big as Michael Cera. > [@cmyk](#): > > Be sure to end the film on as flat and anti-climactic note you can. Preferably at some random point, where it feels like there should be more coming, or some sort of resolution. Well, duh. I figured we would just stop at whatever point I run out of money. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/10 "2010-01-25T00:44:55Z")
The cast should be diverse. And it need hardly be said that any white people in the film be [SWPL](http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/) white people, not the wrong kind of white people. In other words they should look exactly like your audience. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/11 "2010-01-25T01:04:21Z")
The (estranged) parents must be bohemian academic types who are implicitly but not explicitly Jewish. Coldplay, Radiohead and even Wilco have to go; they’re too mainstream now. Substitute Vampire Weekend or Damien Rice. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/12 "2010-01-25T02:48:38Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Coldplay, Radiohead and even Wilco have to go; they’re too mainstream now. Substitute Vampire Weekend or Damien Rice. Idonno. Vampire Weekend might be a bit to “Ashton Kutcher rom-com” for what I’m looking for. For the trailer, I’m thinking [Sweet Disposition by The Temper Trap](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhsirT9bIi0) or [The Crane’s Wife pt 3 by The Decemberists.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9JKoCtoox8&feature=PlayList&p=57A62689FE95953F&index=0&playnext=1) Neither song will appear on the actual soundtrack or in the film though. > [@athelas](#): > > The cast should be diverse. And it need hardly be said that any white people in the film be [SWPL](http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/) white people, not the wrong kind of white people. In other words they should look exactly like your audience. Diversity? Really? Because every indy Sundance film I’ve ever seen mostly seems to have suburban white people dealing with the angst of growing up somewhere between abject poverty and extravagent wealth. Also, I plan to actually get Ellen Page pregnant for my film. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/13 "2010-01-25T02:59:30Z")
I’m not going to see it if Parker Posey is not in it. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/14 "2010-01-25T10:22:56Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Remember: the less sense your movie makes the more indie it is. It’s not just throwing shit together. It’s, like, a deep allegorical exploration of the human condition man. I think that’s more Film School Indy than Sundance Indy. (Slamdance Indy, maybe?) I think the main character should be a safely quirky guy who is misunderstood by the sheeple around him. They’re living mundane lives while his obsession with competitive kite flying makes him free! ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/15 "2010-01-25T11:02:18Z")
From the cast you have assembled I gather you mean to make one of those indie films that when you think about it an hour after it’s over you realize that if the leads had been gainfully employed and more interesting and played by say Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan and you cut some of the irritating peripheral stuff including the friends and siblings unnecessary to the story it would just be yet another stock standard Hollywood rom-com only pretending to be all daring and out there!? So what’s your log line? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/16 "2010-01-25T18:48:28Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > From the cast you have assembled I gather you mean to make one of those indie films that when you think about it an hour after it’s over you realize that if the leads had been gainfully employed and more interesting and played by say Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan and you cut some of the irritating peripheral stuff including the friends and siblings unnecessary to the story it would just be yet another stock standard Hollywood rom-com only pretending to be all daring and out there!? I haven’t decided if I want the story to be about a bunch of friends living on the edge of poverty trying to get it together or about a bunch of affluent kids trying to avoid growing up and entering a lucrative lifestyle that has been basically handed to them. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/17 "2010-01-25T19:09:20Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > So I’ve decided to write a smash Sundance Film Festival indie film. It is going to be interesting and quirky and unique, just like every other indie film. > > So far, for actors I’ve signed up Alan Arkin, Zach Braff, Toni Collette, Zooey Deschanel, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jason Schwartzman, Peter Skaarsgard, Luke Wilson and a few others. Of course I’ll throw in some nobodies and a couple of big names in small but important roles as well. Like Bill Murray can be the estranged dad or Ed Norton can be a drug dealing half-brother or something. > > And I’ll need a hot up-and-coming actress to play the love interest. Maybe Megan Fox wants an academy award? > > I have the soundtrack already picked out with stuff by Fleet Foxes, Imogen Heap, Nick Drake, Regina Spektor, Wilco, The Shins and maybe some deeper Coldplay or Radiohead tracks. > > The setting will be someplace nondescript. Maybe Boston’s suburban North Shore or some nth tier city like Hartford, CT. > > Now I just need to decide if my story will be a tale of (check all that apply): > Self discovery > Reconcilliation > Love > Forgiveness > Self loathing > Coming of age I vote for all of them…with the musical wankerage you’ve chosen, you’ll need it. You can call it “Inside Me”. Use one of the Kardashian girls for the poster and BLAM! Sundance Gold, baby! ---
**Author:** ![Mahna\_Mahna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Mahna\_Mahna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahna_Mahna)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/18 "2010-01-25T20:21:41Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I haven’t decided if I want the story to be about a bunch of friends living on the edge of poverty trying to get it together or about a bunch of affluent kids trying to avoid growing up and entering a lucrative lifestyle that has been basically handed to them. I think it would be even better if you used staunchly middle class folk from a blue collar suburb of someplace cool (like, say, any big city in New Jersey). Their parents should be terminally uncool with uninteresting jobs (like factory foreman or postal worker), and the house should look like a 1970s time capsule complete with wood panelling, brown plaid upholstery and shag carpet. Bonus points if either of the leads ends up having to borrow their dad’s El Camino. Or maybe they ought to be from Niagara Falls, because there’s something inherently ironic and kitsch about Niagara Falls. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/19 "2010-01-31T23:12:24Z")
For helping out, all of you will be invited to the Sundance premier of “Nick & Nora’s 500 Days of Eternal Sideways Sunshine into the Wild of the Garden State”. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273/20 "2010-01-31T23:45:34Z")
Movies like these are where actresses decide it’s OK to go topless because it’s all edgy and stuff. Don’t pass up the opportunity. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-me-write-my-generic-indie-film-for-sundance/526273.md?page=2)