# Help settle a debate about ownership **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 21, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841 "2010-01-21T14:35:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841/41 "2010-01-21T23:14:37Z")
Ha Ha Ha! I was right all along! The State of New York conspired to destroy the MCO’s it had in the World Trade Center so that Neil Armstrong & Buzz Aldrin couldn’t claim the true JFK assassin landed on the Moon with a car with a special carbirator that gets 500 mpg. The truth is out there if you’re not afraid to look. ---
**Author:** ![iltep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@iltep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iltep)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841/42 "2012-01-19T01:31:02Z")
> [@Darth\_Hamsandwich](#): > > Philster, you are 100 % right-on-the-money with your assessment. I couldn’t of said it better myself. > > Here’s an update on his newly formed argument: he’s claiming that since the MCO is his property he can exercise his 4th Amendment rights to be secure in his effects. He asserts that the State cannot coerce you to forgo the right to property of the MCO by penalties (monetary) if you do register your vehicle as laid down by MVC mandate. When I presented to him your argument that the State NEEDS copies of these documents to settle disputes of ownership, he sniffed and remarked, “Meh, I can provide proof as I hold ownership to the document. I present this in court, how can they dispute it?” > > On the upside, my buddy has AGREED to let me film his ordeal. He’s actually going to attempt it! Now my next question is, can I film him in court after he gets the ticket and goes before the Judge? The stand your buddy is taking is correct in the assessment of the registration by the state up to a point. The reason we all should not have to pay a fee to drive our cars on the public highways is becsause we have a right to them, not a priveledge. But the courts held that a state is within its rights to license drivers to ensure safety for all and inspections for the same. Registrations go to maintenance along with gas taxes. ---
**Author:** ![iltep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@iltep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iltep)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841/43 "2012-01-19T01:39:51Z")
What is being lost in this thread is the basic argument the buddy is trying to make a stand on. It is that the state should not have the right to tax us to death over and over on the same items. No matter what the reason is for a tax, it represents an amount stolen from you by force or threat of any number of undesireable outcomes to the one paying in the end. Your buddy is basically saying “Enough is enough already!”. I’m with him. We pay way too much in taxes. Every single person does. WAY TOO MUCH. It doesn’t matter what the reason for raising or implementing any tax is. In the end it is a theft by a tyrant at this stage. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841/44 "2012-01-19T01:51:08Z")
What about zombie cars? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841/45 "2012-01-19T01:57:47Z")
> [@iltep](#): > > The stand your buddy is taking is correct in the assessment of the registration by the state up to a point. The reason we all should not have to pay a fee to drive our cars on the public highways is becsause we have a right to them, not a priveledge. But the courts held that a state is within its rights to license drivers to ensure safety for all and inspections for the same. Registrations go to maintenance along with gas taxes. > [@iltep](#): > > What is being lost in this thread is the basic argument the buddy is trying to make a stand on. It is that the state should not have the right to tax us to death over and over on the same items. No matter what the reason is for a tax, it represents an amount stolen from you by force or threat of any number of undesireable outcomes to the one paying in the end. Your buddy is basically saying “Enough is enough already!”. I’m with him. We pay way too much in taxes. Every single person does. WAY TOO MUCH. It doesn’t matter what the reason for raising or implementing any tax is. In the end it is a theft by a tyrant at this stage. [Moderator Note] **iltep** , General Questions is not intended for political debate. If you wish to debate the issues involved, open a new thread in Great Debates. Since this thread is old, I’m going to close it. Colibri General Questions Moderator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-settle-a-debate-about-ownership/525841.md?page=2)