# Help to cancel Wizrds of the Coast's bannings for pc reasons in MtG **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 28, 2020, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601 "2020-07-28T14:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/21 "2020-07-28T17:04:19Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > The issue is the name combined with the effect: this card destroys all black creatures. Yeah, I got that - I looked at all the cards and read the descriptions. Like I said it coincidentally sounds awkward. I can’t get that worked up about it. But then I can’t get worked up about defending it either. It merits a shrug. Invoke Prejudice? 100% offensive. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/22 "2020-07-28T17:06:51Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > And that is the slippery slope that must be stopped. The slippery slope that has led to \*checks notes\* 7 cards being banned two months ago and no indication that more cards would be banned? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/23 "2020-07-28T17:11:06Z")
Considering all the cards that WOTC has pulled over the years, I find it interesting that these particular cards are what inspired the OP and his call to arms. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/24 "2020-07-28T17:11:12Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > the text box of Cleanse contains text: “Destroy all black creatures.”. Now black is one of the colors of game so there might as well be text box: “Destroy all white creatures.” becase white is one of the colors of the game and there is. The card is named Virtue’s Ruin. Is it censored? Of course not as no white group has complained to WotC about it. Let me get this straight, because I’ve never played the thing and may be misunderstanding you. The card for “destroy all black creatures” is called “cleanse” and the card for “destroy all white creatures” is called “Virtue’s Ruin”? Is that right? If so, and if you can’t see anything racist about that, you need to back up ten steps and scrub your eyes open. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/25 "2020-07-28T17:15:40Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > The cards are also banned in EDH aka Commander and that’s not a competitive format. Cool, cool. So what, though? What fraction of Commander games are sanctioned? People can play by whatever rules they want at the kitchen table. The fact of the matter is that as soon as people brought attention to these cards, which essentially no one plays anyway, they would become a lightning rod for dicks to show off their extreme dickitude by bringing racism.dek to the next event just because they can. > [@tavaritz](#): > > First of all WotC has not told who was that group or individual who wanted these cards banned because in their mind the cards were racist or cultturaly offensive. Not sure why you think that’s relevant, but there are multiple people publicly stating the claim that certain cards are racist. I’ll add my name to the mix. Invoke Prejudice and those other cards are racist. The banning was a good idea. The idea that WotC should publicly point to individuals of color who have asked for this minor concession so that the hordes of socially maladjusted internet assholes could hound them to no end “just asking questions” about why certain cards deserve to be banned is absurd. I will admit that I’m not quite sure why Jihad is ban-worth and Army of Allah isn’t, but I’m also aware that just because something doesn’t _offend me_, that doesn’t make it inoffensive. I wasn’t aware that “Stone-Throwing Devils” was a slur, but now that _I am_, I’m not in favor of it. > [@tavaritz](#): > > why “destroy all black creatures” is wrong but "destroy all white creatures or “destroy all humans” are not. Because one of them is named _Cleanse_. You seem to think that the mechanics of these cards are the relevant factor, but they’re not. There are all sorts of cards in Magic that treat creatures of different colors differently. The only one that got banned is the one that’s named for a euphemism for racial genocide, an actual real-world atrocity that some people desire, and that others are victims of because of the color of their skin. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/26 "2020-07-28T17:33:35Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > For funny example The Blue Men Group could ask them to ban any card which destroys blue creatures. And that is the slippery slope that must be stopped. > > That’s why asking this. I’m concerned based on this post that some people might think you were being serious in this thread, rather than tongue-in-cheek. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/27 "2020-07-28T17:43:45Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > So please send Wotc a message that Magic the Gathering and it’s cards has never been or are not racist or culturally offensive as this whole thing is a blow against artistic freedom and freedom of speech. lol no. So much crazy shit has gone down so far this year but this still stands out as one of the most over the top dumbass clownish requests that I have seen. ---
**Author:** ![tavaritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@tavaritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavaritz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/28 "2020-07-28T17:49:40Z")
It’s not a collector’s number. It was sequential number of cards printed. And that the number 1488 just happened to be Invoke Prejudice is a coincidence. If Alpha has not missed two cards it wouldn’t be that. If beta wouldn’t have added third land card it would not have been that etc. It is a coincidence and nothing more. No-one preplanned that to happen. And Harlod McNeils art is very abstract and you can read what ever you can imagine in those. And so what? Invoke Prejudice against whom? I could play that in blue-black deck where my creatures are all black and thus it would prejudice against red, green, whitre and blue creatures. And that is racist you say? Then the whole game of Magic is racist and should be banned. But it is not. Yours: Topi ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/29 "2020-07-28T17:52:36Z")
After looking at the cards, I just have to say: Good on you, Wizards of the Coast. Shame you didn’t see it the first time around, but at least you’re growing. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/30 "2020-07-28T17:55:41Z")
How old are you, **tavaritz**? ---
**Author:** ![tavaritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@tavaritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavaritz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/31 "2020-07-28T17:57:27Z")
How is Invoke Prejudice racist if not the whole MtG is racist? If I play blue-black deck with only black creatures and play Invoke Prejudice it invokes the prejudice against all red, green, white and blue creatures. Is that racist? NO! And about the picture itself. No-one would have batted an eyelash if that cards multiverse id was 1490. No-one cared about the picture. Harold McNeils pictures are abstract and if you want to read in it KKK burníng black viillage you can, but that is not the point. The point is that abstract pictures raises several different images in viewers imagination and they are all correct. So you cannot ban a picture by one opinion. Yours: Topi ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/32 "2020-07-28T17:57:37Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > And that is the slippery slope that must be stopped. Oh no! If this keeps up, pretty soon we won’t have any racism at all! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/33 "2020-07-28T17:58:40Z")
OMG! Why does no one speak up for the blue and green people being attacked in MtG? ---
**Author:** ![tavaritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@tavaritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavaritz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/34 "2020-07-28T17:59:17Z")
I’m 59. ---
**Author:** ![tavaritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@tavaritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavaritz)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/35 "2020-07-28T18:01:38Z")
No the slippery slope that next they ban Army of Allah as it is racist. Then all cards that say destroy black creature because they are racist etc. And if they do not they are hypocrites and just condoning for one point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/36 "2020-07-28T18:04:24Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > And that the number 1488 just happened to be Invoke Prejudice is a coincidence. And yet, perhaps not. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/37 "2020-07-28T18:05:05Z")
Can someone explain to an outsider what “black creatures” and “white creatures” are in the context of the game? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/38 "2020-07-28T18:07:24Z")
Most people aren’t stupid. This is why most slippery slope arguments fall apart. Most people can understand the difference between “this card is offensive towards black people because it depicts the KKK eliminating black creatures” and “this card is offensive towards the Blue Man Group because it depicts a dragon eliminating blue people”. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/39 "2020-07-28T18:08:54Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > I’m 59. Then (assuming you are an American) you are old enough to remember Klansmen robes, and your arguments are specious. You can claim you don’t see the violently racist imagery, but again, unless you grew up well outside of the US zone of influence, you know it’s there, and you condone it. I don’t know enough about white supremacist organization (thankfully) in the 90s to know if 88 was in use as coded Heil Hitler, so I can’t speak to that part. But the choice of action combined with the imagery screams white supremacy, and you claiming you don’t see it is either bullshit, stupidity, or dangerous naivety. Take your pick ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601/40 "2020-07-28T18:14:08Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Can someone explain to an outsider what “black creatures” and “white creatures” are in the context of the game? Magic: The Gathering is a card game in which two players try to eliminate each other from the game. The theme is fantasy based and the cards depict things like magical spells and fantasy creatures. There are five factions in the game, each with their own different theme. The five factions are represented by colors; black, blue, green, red, and white. If you’re familiar with Harry Potter, think of it as the equivalent of Gryffindor, Slytherin, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/help-to-cancel-wizrds-of-the-coasts-bannings-for-pc-reasons-in-mtg/916601.md?page=3)