# Henry Cavill out in latest DC shakeup **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [December 15, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585 "2022-12-15T14:15:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/1 "2022-12-15T14:15:36Z")
Looks like James Gunn really is wiping the slate clean over at DC Studios – after previously announcing that they would not be moving forward with a third Wonder Woman movie, yesterday Gunn and Cavill himself confirmed that Henry would not be returning the role in the next Superman movie. I feel a bit bad for Henry Cavill, who had previously announced (at the studio’s behest) that he _would_ be returning. He had also announced that he was leaving _The Witcher_, which many assumed was so he could focus on his DC commitments. > **[Henry Cavill sacked as Superman by new DC Studios chiefs](https://fortune.com/2022/12/15/henry-cavill-sacked-as-superman-by-new-dc-studios-chiefs-james-gunn-peter-safran/)** > > The new DC executives have decided to go in a different direction. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/2 "2022-12-15T14:17:20Z")
What you didn’t mention is the reason Henry Cavill is out; Gunn plans a movie centered around a young Superman, meaning the role needs a different actor. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/3 "2022-12-15T14:22:18Z")
This must mean that Guardians 3 is wrapped, right? I have a hard time seeing Gunn as head of DC superheroes, while going all in for what is sure to be one of the biggest Marvel releases of the next season, apart from any contractual obligations, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/4 "2022-12-15T14:45:58Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > after previously announcing that they would not be moving forward with a third Wonder Woman movie, Given the absolute stinker the second one was, this can only be a blessing. Sorry to see Cavill yanked around like this. He seems like a nice person IRL. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/5 "2022-12-15T14:56:13Z")
My wife loves Wonder Woman but didn’t think either movie gave her a good villain to fight against. For me, it seems that a lot of movies are about great scenes but not a cohesive story that pulls it together. There are exceptions, with Bullet Train working well for me, especially how well it came together. DC movies need something. A reboot. Going lighter. I did like their casting choices but understand it may need to change. Maybe with Gunn in charge, we can get some fun movies from DC. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/6 "2022-12-15T15:02:47Z")
It sucks for Cavill but probably something like this needed to happen. When Geralt of Rivia is presented as less dour and more hopeful than the big blue boy scout, you know something is very, very wrong. Not Cavill’s fault (he seems to be a a decent, fun fellow in real life) but the folks at Warner totally messed up going the edgelordy, grimdark Snyder route. > [@flurb](#): > > after previously announcing that they would not be moving forward with a third Wonder Woman movie Well, not the third WW movie Patty Jenkins had planned anyway. There’s no realistic universe in which they don’t do one at all over the next few years, possibly even with Gal Gadot. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/7 "2022-12-15T15:04:33Z")
I am only barely aware of this guy, but didn’t he leave The Witcher because the writers weren’t honoring the source material? He seems like a Daniel Day-Lewis for comic book fans, a passonate committed method actor…but for a superhero role. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/8 "2022-12-15T15:10:26Z")
At least Cavill managed to avoid the grisly fate of past Superman actors. So far. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/9 "2022-12-15T15:13:23Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I am only barely aware of this guy, but didn’t he leave The Witcher because the writers weren’t honoring the source material? Maybe in part, but it’s never one thing. He’s in demand elsewhere which means a busy, conflicting working schedule for him and apparently after the 3rd season on Netflix, his contract was up (read: expensive new contract for more seasons). And some of the suits at Warner apparently got him to commit to coming back as Superman, i.e. left hand/right hand for DC films not knowing what the other is doing, which would have been a problem if he committed to the Witcher for several more years. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/10 "2022-12-15T15:40:01Z")
That’s what I’d read as well- he was a big fan of the books, and basically got tired of the writers mocking the source material and having to fight with them about how things should be. And I mostly agree; while they’ve done a fantastic job on the look, feel and casting (in general), the storyline has suffered for their attempts to try and put it all into a chronological order and show what’s happening everywhere as time goes by. Beyond that, there’s a fair bit of nonsense going on that promises to try to explain everything (which is a major TV writer flaw, IMO), and is likely to be bad. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/11 "2022-12-15T15:46:38Z")
> [@bump](#): > > the storyline has suffered for their attempts to try and put it all into a chronological order and show what’s happening everywhere as time goes by. That’s probably a result of the reaction to the 1st season where people got confused by the different timelines. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/12 "2022-12-15T16:07:59Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > At least Cavill managed to avoid the grisly fate of past Superman actors. So far. That’s only for past Superman actors who had ‘Reeve’ as all or part of their last name. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/13 "2022-12-15T17:06:45Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > That’s probably a result of the reaction to the 1st season where people got confused by the different timelines. Yeah, the TV series was my only experience with anything _Watcher_ and I was very confused by (and hated) the timeline jumping. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/14 "2022-12-15T18:49:32Z")
> [@solost](#): > > That’s only for past Superman actors who had ‘Reeve’ as all or part of their last name. I don’t know, didn’t Dean Cain get some kind of brain damage or something? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/15 "2022-12-15T19:11:16Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I don’t know, didn’t Dean Cain get some kind of brain damage or something? Well, he was a star defensive back for Princeton, and signed with the Buffalo Bills after graduating in 1988, but suffered a knee injury in training camp, which ended his football career. So, it’s possible that he suffered some level of brain injury from playing football, but I don’t find anything specific in googling (though I do see some mentions of various health issues for him in recent years). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/16 "2022-12-15T19:18:14Z")
Bring him back as Geralt! ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/17 "2022-12-15T22:17:44Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Well, he was a star defensive back for Princeton, and signed with the Buffalo Bills after graduating in 1988, but suffered a knee injury in training camp, which ended his football career. So, it’s possible that he suffered some level of brain injury from playing football, but I don’t find anything specific in googling (though I do see some mentions of various health issues for him in recent years). I think his brain damage was more recent: > **[Dean Cain Lambastes “Woke” Captain America Comic; Gets Roasted on Twitter in...](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/dean-cain-superman-twitter-roasted-woke-captain-america-comic-1234979853/)** > > The 'Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' star later admitted he had not actually read the book. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/18 "2022-12-15T22:32:48Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I think his brain damage was more recent: 😃 I did think about mentioning his recent political leanings, but I decided to be nice. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/19 "2022-12-15T22:37:00Z")
**Modnote** : Yes, please keep politics out of The Café. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585/20 "2022-12-16T14:17:18Z")
Looks like he found his next role. > **[Henry Cavill found his next role after 'Superman.' And he's been wanting it...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/henry-cavill-found-next-role-033441082.html)** > > A day after bidding farewell to 'Superman,' Henry Cavill has found his next role big role. He'll star in a TV series based on the '80s game 'Warhammer.' [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/henry-cavill-out-in-latest-dc-shakeup/976585.md?page=2)