# Here are the defenses offered (so far) for Trump's “Grab them by the pussy" comment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 9, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029 "2016-10-09T03:55:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/101 "2016-10-09T18:39:39Z")
I have seen a lot if interviews (not about this issue specifically) with DT supporters and the level of cognitive dissonance is amazing. The new level of support for sexual assault (and the utter lack of comprehension about consent) is truly frightening. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/102 "2016-10-09T18:42:45Z")
I have seen some stuff in my time and I do know beautiful women don’t end up socialising with billionaire men by accident. As a general proposition, there is a general game afoot, the rules of which are not the same as apply to you and me down the local bar on a Friday night. It is the same for sports stars and the beautiful young women who somehow manage to end up in the exclusive areas of a club or back stage. This is not blue collar life and it’s not a polite middle class world. If you want to be a part of that world then you know the price of admission before you go in and you can leave any time you want. Some how, though, a poor girl from East Europe married Donald Trump. It was a romantic chance meeting, right? And they just fell in love … What we know we know from what the narcissistic fool himself blurted out - I haven’t seen any girls speaking out so far. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/103 "2016-10-09T18:57:23Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I have seen some stuff in my time and I do know beautiful women don’t end up socialising with billionaire men by accident. As a general proposition, there is a general game afoot, the rules of which are not the same as apply to you and me down the local bar on a Friday night. > > It is the same for sports stars and the beautiful young women who somehow manage to end up in the exclusive areas of a club or back stage. > > This is not blue collar life and it’s not a polite middle class world. If you want to be a part of that world then you know the price of admission before you go in and you can leave any time you want. Some how, though, a poor girl from East Europe married Donald Trump. It was a romantic chance meeting, right? And they just fell in love … > > What we know we know from what the narcissistic fool himself blurted out - I haven’t seen any girls speaking out so far. This is a rationalization, not an excuse. There were “rules” to slave behavior as well – it doesn’t mean it wasn’t rape when a master had sex with one of his slaves (without the power to refuse, there is no possibility of consent). It doesn’t matter if some billionaires and powerful men think it’s okay to grope and assault women. It doesn’t even matter if some women decide to hang out with these guys knowing that they will do this and are okay with it (as if the billionaires could know with certainty which women have tacitly decided to accept being groped and which ones aren’t okay with it). It’s still wrong to grope and assault women. It’s very, very wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/104 "2016-10-09T18:57:43Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I haven’t seen any girls speaking out so far. I don’t want to go so far as to say you’re actively avoiding it then, becuase I know I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to the news, but you can certainly google these things. [http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617](http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617) > **[A third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by Donald Trump](https://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/a-third-woman-alleges-she-was-sexually-assaulted-by-donald-trump/)** > > On Wednesday, in the midst of the Republican National Convention, new allegations emerged of sexual assault committed by Donald Trump. This is the third woman who has accused the GOP presidential nominee of sexual assault.The latest allegations of... > **[Lawsuit Claiming Donald Trump Raped A 13-Year-Old Girl Refiled In New York...](https://www.inquisitr.com/3562837/lawsuit-claiming-donald-trump-raped-a-13-year-old-girl-refiled-in-new-york-court-new-witness-comes-forward)** > > A lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl has been refiled in New York court with a new witness, Occupy Democrats reports. The allegation against Trump occurred over 20 years ago when Donald attended a series of parties... > **[Donald Trump Doesn't Just Talk about Sexual Assault, He Allegedly Does It](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a49408/trump-sexual-assault-accusations/)** > > At least three women have come forward with horrible stories. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/105 "2016-10-09T18:58:05Z")
Here are some more (It’s refreshing - female poster) > [@](#): > > Ok PC friends, STOP emasculating my sons. Men DO talk vulgar behind the scenes and amongst their friends. So DO US GALS. I have yet met a man who doesn’t. It is called being a human. It is refreshing to see both sides of Trump. I don’t think he is 2 different ppl unlike Hillary per HER emails. Reply to “It’s refreshing” - female poster) > [@](#): > > OK, so sexual assault is now OK? I hope you or your daughters do not have to experience a crude and vulgar man like him. He should not have a free pass to grab unsuspecting women. (“It’s refreshing” poster reply to reply - female poster) > [@](#): > > What is good for the goose is good for the gander… he is messing around with other guys NOT ACTUALLY attacking women. Unlike Clinton. Hillarys defense of him and his actions was disgusting. She should of dumped him yrs ago! ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/106 "2016-10-09T19:01:14Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I don’t want to go so far as to say you’re actively avoiding it then, becuase I know I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to the news, but you can certainly google these things. Thanks for being generous enough of spirit to accept I hadn’t seen anything, I’ll take a look. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/107 "2016-10-09T19:15:21Z")
It’s interesting that the sexual assault narrative is a little different than I usually see - I often see “Well, that woman is lying when she said he did that” - I don’t usually see “That man is lying about what he said he did.” Yes, people lie about sexual conquests all the time. But this is about assault, not attractiveness, or star quality, or money. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/108 "2016-10-09T19:54:57Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Regarding the OP, one of the best replies comes from J.K. Rowling: > > [“The men rushing to tell us all that they talk about women exactly the way Donald Trump did in his tape seem to think they’re helping.”](https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/785113577489309696) I have to wonder how many of these same men have busted out the #NotAllMen when a woman talked about her own experiences being treated the way Trump says he treats women. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/109 "2016-10-09T20:57:00Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > So if a woman lets you screw her it’s rape? Your stance would put most of the male population in prison. > > Trump’s comments are the usual male braggadocio. Trump is certainly a clown and unfit to be President but not on the grounds of these remarks. Where have you been? I’m in my late forties and they’d been teaching us in school (so over thirty years ago) forever that if someone was intent on raping you, one of your options was to just let it happen. Why? To prevent that little known issue of escalation, like to being beaten or murdered. No way in hell if that happened, would it imply anything but rape and certainly never consent. Christ. And I really thought most supporters would’ve been taken aback by this. But I should’ve known better. When the last of the Josh Duggar a candle broke, I knew good, religious women who still defended him because their focus was on the supposed smear attack being perpetrated against his family’s good name. What he did was irrelevant. Apparently the same applies here. I do not want to know these types of people any longer. Human fail. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/110 "2016-10-09T21:34:36Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > ETA, and on a totally unrelated matter, the sooner you do this, even if it’s something like tracking down a hydraulic leak or fixing a deli slicer, the less awkward it is to say ‘wait a minute, hold up…I think you’re right, let’s try it that way’. Man: Doc, I keep having this incredible urge to put my penis in the pickle slicer at work. It’s overwhelming! Doc: Well, then, go ahead and do it. … Man: Okay, doc, I gave into the urge and put my penis into the pickle slicer at work. Doc: And what happened? Man: We both got fired. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/111 "2016-10-09T21:42:51Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Jesus, times have changed. Back in the day a youngster would try to get to first base. If there were no objection he’d try for second (not quite ‘grabbing for her crotch’ but not far removed). If there were still no objection and the girl was responsive Nature would take its course. From what some of you are saying you’d need a signed and witnessed contract of consent and even that could probably be torn apart by a smart lawyer. > > Thank fuck I’m not a young man in this day and age. I’ll make it easy for you. Treat women with the same dignity and respect that you would a man. You wouldn’t grab a man’s crotch without his permission, right? Well, there you go. You wouldn’t just assume that every man wants you to kiss him, right? Or tell him that he’s handsome? Or comment on his nice physique? Don’t assume that about a woman, either. Oh - but you don’t want to kiss men, and you do want to kiss ladies? Too bad. This is not about what you want. The other party gets to decide if they want to be kissed. You can ask, if you want, but you can’t just assume, and you have to take no for an answer. Presumably, you don’t have any trouble not forcing your attentions on the men around you. OR, for that matter, on the grandmothers, the uggos, the fatties, or the lesbos. I’m sure men are capable of not forcing themselves on the rest of the female kind as well, provided they care enough. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/112 "2016-10-09T22:48:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Ah, the irony. No, what you posted is blatantly false, and examples have been given in this thread. All your remarks demonstrate is your own stupidity and how utterly you are blinded by partisanship. > > If you are tired of being ridiculed, either 1) stop posting incredibly stupid shit; 2) don’t post at all. It appears, however, that the first strategy is not open to you. If you weren’t a mod, I’d put your dumb ass on ignore. I was correct in what I said. You need proof: Bill Clinton. Rapist and Philander-in-Chief. But you libs think the sun shines out of his ass. His actions were a helluva lot worse than what Trump said. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/113 "2016-10-09T22:53:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > If you weren’t a mod, I’d put your dumb ass on ignore. > > I was correct in what I said. You need proof: Bill Clinton. Rapist and Philander-in-Chief. But you libs think the sun shines out of his ass. His actions were a helluva lot worse than what Trump said. Both Clinton and Trump have been accused of rape and/or sexual assault. One of them, Trump, has bragged about sexually assaulting women (and there is video). And no, liberals don’t think “the sun shines out of [Bill’s] ass”. Once again I’ll hold out a tiny shred of hope that **Clothahump** might be interested in actual discussion instead of sniping. Prove all these guys wrong, **Clothahump** – show the Dope that you’re capable of actually discussing a political topic with thought and reason and not just dismissiveness. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/114 "2016-10-09T22:56:33Z")
You know, this whole comment comes off like junior high bathroom smut by little boys who have never been within grabbing range of the real thing. Since you metaphorically “grab” guys by their dong or balls, but can’t actually “grab” a woman by her snatch, it has that aura of not really knowing what he’s talking about. Yeah, yeah, he meant cop a submarine feel. But it still sounds like a 13yo speaking from badass-y ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/115 "2016-10-10T00:45:48Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > You know, this whole comment comes off like junior high bathroom smut by little boys who have never been within grabbing range of the real thing. Since you metaphorically “grab” guys by their dong or balls, but can’t actually “grab” a woman by her snatch, it has that aura of not really knowing what he’s talking about. > > Yeah, yeah, he meant cop a submarine feel. But it still sounds like a 13yo speaking from badass-y ignorance. And he was on his third marriage when he made those comments. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/116 "2016-10-10T01:24:19Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Trump has been desperately wanting to get into politics since 1988; he just never could get anyone to take him that seriously until now. He might have been _worth_ taking seriously if he’d paid his dues - got elected to state assembly and then governor of New York, or got elected to congress and eventually Senator from New York. Spoiled rich kid likes him some shortcuts, though, and thinks he deserves the prize just for showing up. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/117 "2016-10-10T04:16:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Both Clinton and Trump have been accused of rape and/or sexual assault. One of them, Trump, has bragged about sexually assaulting women (and there is video). > > And no, liberals don’t think “the sun shines out of [Bill’s] ass”. > > Once again I’ll hold out a tiny shred of hope that **Clothahump** might be interested in actual discussion instead of sniping. Prove all these guys wrong, **Clothahump** – show the Dope that you’re capable of actually discussing a political topic with thought and reason and not just dismissiveness. I did. Clinton had to pay $850k to Paula Jones for her case against him. Juanita Broaddrick: > [@](#): > > In January 2016, Broaddrick said on Twitter, “I was 35 years old when Bill Clinton, Ark. Attorney General raped me and Hillary tried to silence me. I am now 73….it never goes away.” For sure, let’s not forget Monica and her cum-stained dress. And I have yet to hear a liberal say anything against Clinton for all this. But every time I turn around, it seems like he’s talking to a crowd of you and you’re cheering your asses off for him. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/118 "2016-10-10T04:26:27Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I did. Clinton had to pay $850k to Paula Jones for her case against him. > > Juanita Broaddrick: > > For sure, let’s not forget Monica and her cum-stained dress. > > And I have yet to hear a liberal say anything against Clinton for all this. But every time I turn around, it seems like he’s talking to a crowd of you and you’re cheering your asses off for him. Wait, is Bill Clinton running for president? (from one of those damn liberals that called him out for it when it came to light) ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/119 "2016-10-10T04:33:05Z")
If it needs to be restated, at post 26 I said this: > [@Bullitt](#): > > Good point, makes me stop and think. > > Sure his words are similar to things many have said and/or thought, but yes his actions have the weight of his power behind them. So, not likely consensual. Thanks for that, yes, it’s an abuse of his power. That applies to the crotch grabbing I posted a few minutes ago that I thought was okay. > > Again, thank you. This changes some of what I posted upthread - a case of my becoming enlightened, of my ignorance being fought. Further, I will refine “So, not likely consensual” above and restate it as it’s almost certainly not consensual, especially when the “rank” or social status of the toucher is higher than that of the one being touched. That is often a precursor to sexual harassment. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/120 "2016-10-10T04:39:27Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Wait, is Bill Clinton running for president? > > (from one of those damn liberals that called him out for it when it came to light) I have to add that Republicans like **Clothahump** also forget conveniently about double jeopardy. They really just love to see authoritarians get the power to ignore the constitution. Incidentally, that is not excusing what Bill Clinton might had done, but the fact is that he was made to pay with impeachment investigations and court settlements that IIRC even Paula Jones and others accepted or had their cases thrown out of court or ignored by the prosecutors back then. The point is that the “not helping really” crowd is ignoring that now Trump should have to get his feet put to the fire for his improprieties. Just like Clinton did. Maybe not with impeachment or criminal prosecutions, but by not being allowed to get into the White House. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029.md?page=7)