# Here are the defenses offered (so far) for Trump's “Grab them by the pussy" comment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 9, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029 "2016-10-09T03:55:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/141 "2016-10-11T22:52:27Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I honestly believe that Trump’s “grab her by the pussy” comment was simple (and incredibly inappropriate) hyperbole. He didn’t say that he had done it, just that he could have because he was a star. Given his braggadocio, I think that if he had acted like that, he would have said so. He \*\*did \*\*say it. From the transcript - Trump: I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. _I don’t even wait._ And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Bush: Whatever you want. Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything. His first wife detailed a rape in her book. He’s been compelled to appear in a federal case about sexually assaulting a teen. For a guy whose supporters claim isn’t condoning sexual assault he sure seems to be on board w/ committing sexual assault. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/142 "2016-10-11T23:17:35Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Has anyone tried the euphemism tack? Trump is nothing if not a loutish braggart, “grab her by the pussy”, could be argued to mean ‘take charge, woman love that’. > > “We really have them by the balls”, usually does not mean you are actually touching anyone’s testicles. Trump was making a point about what some women will subject themselves to in the presence of powerful and wealthy men, the “Grab them by the pussy” part was to illustrate how far they would let someone go i.e. to the point of absurdity; “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” Keep in mind that once upon a time women/girls used to throw their panties on stage at concerts. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/143 "2016-10-11T23:34:01Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > He \*\*did \*\*say it. From the transcript - > Trump: I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. _I don’t even wait._ And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. > > Bush: Whatever you want. > > Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything. I really hate to be defending Trump, really, but he didn’t say it. He said he just starts kissing women and they let him do it, but what comes after Bush says “Whatever you want”, Trump is trying to give an exaggerated example of what a star _could_ get away with. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/144 "2016-10-11T23:36:53Z")
I see. So Trump was making a point to young Billy about the loose and willing ways of the _womens_ rather than about his own proclivities? Perhaps as a moral lesson, so as to help forestall any tendency in the lad toward unnecessary restraint around such wantons? Does not seem the simplest way to parse Trump’s remarks, but also doesn’t make him seem any less pathological, so parse how you gotta parse. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/145 "2016-10-11T23:39:54Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > He \*\*did \*\*say it. From the transcript - > > Trump: I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. _I don’t even wait._ And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. > > Bush: Whatever you want. > > Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything. Yes. He doesn’t wait to kiss them. No doubt about that. He did not say that he grabbed anyone by the pussy. That’s the part that sounds like hyperbole to me. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/146 "2016-10-11T23:42:12Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > I see. So Trump was making a point to young Billy about the loose and willing ways of the _womens_ rather than about his own proclivities? Perhaps as a moral lesson, so as to help forestall any tendency in the lad toward unnecessary restraint around such wantons? > > Does not seem the simplest way to parse Trump’s remarks, but also doesn’t make him seem any less pathological, so parse how you gotta parse. No, he was explaining about what actually happens. Presidents get oral sex from 19 year old’s in the oval office. We all know what rock stars, and athletes get. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/147 "2016-10-11T23:57:31Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Oh please. Many many people have said things slike this. In my younger days when I was with the guys, we’d say things somewhat like that. I know I’ve sad things like, I’d jump her bones, and the like. And women - many of them have said similar things, like Hey, I’d wrap my legs around that, or I’d f### him in a heartbeat. > > Who doesn’t agree with this, and why not? Maybe not today. You can’t swing a cat without insulting someone or thing. How long ago was your “younger days”. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/148 "2016-10-12T00:00:54Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Maybe not today. You can’t swing a cat without insulting someone or thing. How long ago was your “younger days”. He said when he was with the guys. People still say those sort of things within groups. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/149 "2016-10-12T00:11:26Z")
[The Trump family demonstrates how to defend against pussy grabs](https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14495240_10154676003033487_5892652775357917021_n.jpg?oh=a9d11f0870892b08f853ec9cfaef28b3&oe=586509A7). ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/150 "2016-10-12T00:18:17Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > No, he was explaining about what actually happens. Presidents get oral sex from 19 year old’s in the oval office. We all know what rock stars, and athletes get. You understand the difference between panty throwing, oral sex offering teens and a powerful married man taking what he wants without waiting to establish what is on offer, though, don’t you? If Trump had said “when you’re famous women just kiss you without asking and make it clear you can do whatever you want to them” his comments would be at worst mildly controversial, and he would indeed merely have been speaking an often unspoken truth. But he didn’t say that. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/151 "2016-10-12T01:24:45Z")
> [@Askance](#): > > [The Trump family demonstrates how to defend against pussy grabs](https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14495240_10154676003033487_5892652775357917021_n.jpg?oh=a9d11f0870892b08f853ec9cfaef28b3&oe=586509A7). Wow. :eek: That is interesting. I guess in that family it’s necessary. [Photo shows the whole Trump family, and ALL of the women have their hands crossed in front of their crotches, either holding a handbag or just clasped.] ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/152 "2016-10-12T01:40:17Z")
I just posted this in the octopus pit thread, but I offer it here: Now, now…I’m finding common ground with Donald Trump–I mean Ivanka is a hot piece of ass and I’d like to “grab her pussy!” Probably like he would! That’s OK with you, Donald? Right? [Now I duck and run for cover!] BTW, don’t his sons look like American Psycho serial killers from the '80s? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/153 "2016-10-12T02:13:00Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > In the realm of things that affect roughly 50% of the population preventing sexual assault as a way of increasing our quality of life is a high priority. People dismissing its importance are a large part of the problem. Rating its priority compared to other problems is not dismissing its importance. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/154 "2016-10-12T02:19:51Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Yes, thank you. I wish people spent more time on how juvenile he sounded. So you want people to spend more time on the least bad part about what he did. You seem to get why this is wrong. So why do you keep trying to minimize it? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/155 "2016-10-12T02:23:02Z")
But to me it is at least as much about what Trump’s comments say about him as it is about the comments themselves. Let’s assume he didn’t mean anything he said and has never done to anyone the type of things he said. His comments still suggest he’s a crass egotistical baboon. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/156 "2016-10-12T02:26:24Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Let’s see. > […] Yes, those are criminal. But now go look at the post I responded to. Are any of those things mentioned? AK84 tried to say that what Trump said were just “crass comments.” You seem to disagree. So why jump to his defense, adding in things he didn’t say? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/157 "2016-10-12T08:04:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, those are criminal. But now go look at the post I responded to. Are any of those things mentioned? > > AK84 tried to say that what Trump said were just “crass comments.” You seem to disagree. So why jump to his defense, adding in things he didn’t say? Having just read over this thread I can’t even begin to see how you think this is a fair characterisation of what AK84 has been saying. His posts seem quite to the contrary. There are several posts where he explicitly argues (against opposition) that what Trump discussed was sexual assault. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/158 "2016-10-18T05:50:34Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I did. Clinton had to pay $850k to Paula Jones for her case against him. > > Juanita Broaddrick: > > For sure, let’s not forget Monica and her cum-stained dress. > > And I have yet to hear a liberal say anything against Clinton for all this. But every time I turn around, it seems like he’s talking to a crowd of you and you’re cheering your asses off for him. A bit of a problem with your examples is: they are simply not relevant. [ol] [li]It’s undeniably true that Trump said what he said[/li][li]Neither he nor his camp have actually defended what he said. Unless “locker room talk” is a defense in your mind[/li][/ol] This thread is asking you to defend his comments. To bring another politician’s actions into this (Weiner’s or Clinton’s or Kennedy’s or Gingrich’s) doesn’t actually defend his comment. Neither does attacking the opposition’s perceived hypocritical words actually “defend” the comment. And all of this simply makes me wonder if you actually can defend his words. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/159 "2016-10-18T17:49:40Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I did. Clinton had to pay $850k to Paula Jones for her case against him. Hear ye, hear ye! Let the record show that the thread clown Clothahump has hereby of his own free will irrevocably and without caveat or possibility of retraction committed himself to acceptance of the proposition before the group, to wit: _ **“Settling a case out of court constitutes admission of guilt”** _ Ladies and Gentlemen, proceed to examine the [implications](https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-says-i-dont-settle-but-we-found-13-times-he-did-3a7ae4678b22)… 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029/160 "2016-10-18T18:01:08Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Hear ye, hear ye! Let the record show that the thread clown Clothahump has hereby of his own free will irrevocably and without caveat or possibility of retraction committed himself to acceptance of the proposition before the group, to wit: > > _ **“Settling a case out of court constitutes admission of guilt”** _ > > Ladies and Gentlemen, proceed to examine the [implications](https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-says-i-dont-settle-but-we-found-13-times-he-did-3a7ae4678b22)… 😃 😃 Well done, Steve. :Polite golf clapping and nods of approval all around: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-are-the-defenses-offered-so-far-for-trumps-grab-them-by-the-pussy-comment/768029.md?page=9)