# Here come the pseudo hippies.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2001, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994 "2001-09-21T12:37:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/21 "2001-09-21T15:37:20Z")
> [@](#): > > This is not a video game or movie. It won’t be all wrapped up in a short period of time. I wouldn’t assume that it would be short. I would hope that any response is considered and calculated, and designed to strike accurately. And just to clear things up, your second section is directed to mswas, right? ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/22 "2001-09-21T15:37:24Z")
Before being allowed to protest, these nuevo-hippies should be required to submit a written report on the solution _they_ propose to the problem. Furthermore, the words ‘love’, ‘peace’, ‘Baez’, and ‘dude’ should be disallowed. BTW Times New Roman allows you relive the glory of the republic with full serif. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/23 "2001-09-21T15:43:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > \*\*Also, have you noticed that they have said that they are NOT allowing press to move with the troops and report from the front? “Because they don’t want the terrorists to get intel from the media”, yeah fucking right, they don’t want us to see Joe Average with a gun barrel in some poor lady’s veil based on some scumbags orders. \*\* Yeah, I’m sure that’s it. We wouldn’t mind at all having the military’s plans and actions broadcast live on CNN where just anyone could see them. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/24 "2001-09-21T15:48:08Z")
Glory of the Republic? even though it comes from “The Times” newspaper (hence, “Times”) If anything, it would be the Enemy font of the Republic!! ---
**Author:** ![Oblong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c0e974/32.png) [@Oblong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oblong)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/25 "2001-09-21T15:50:03Z")
Yes Twist of Fate, that second part wasn’t directed at you. My attack at these wannabies is because I really don’t think they know what they are talking about. Not because of their opinions but because I think they are just anxious to have a cause and this is convenient. They want Vietnam II. Then they can use that to justify free love and drugs. I could understand the hippies and Vietnam. We werent’ attacked or provoked into that. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/26 "2001-09-21T15:57:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\*BTW Times New Roman allows you relive the glory of the republic with full serif. \*\* Fascist! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/27 "2001-09-21T16:08:49Z")
When the revolution comes all of your counter-revolutionary typefaces will be burnt on the pyre of Capitalism and we will march into a glorious future with simple, unadorned, monospaced, Letter Gothic. _ **¡Viva la Revolucion!** _ ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/28 "2001-09-21T16:11:11Z")
Forgive the dispersion of this post… …but I’d like to hit each point in turn. > [@](#): > > \*\* mswas \*\* > Well, as it was said before, if not bombing innocent civilians to make unthinking patriots feel safer at night is vogue… Yes, I’ve been meaning to say something about our immediate reaction to this event, what with the carpet bombing and Tomahawks flying all over the place…oh, wait a sec! > [@](#): > > Bush’s speech was not a good speech, it was flagrantly inflammatory. Some merit here, btu then again, we are, actually, at war. I’ll give this an even score. > [@](#): > > Also, have you noticed that they have said that they are NOT allowing press to move with the troops and report from the front? “Because they don’t want the terrorists to get intel from the media”, yeah fucking right, they don’t want us to see Joe Average with a gun barrel in some poor lady’s veil based on some scumbags orders. :rolleyes: Yeah, those military types are just chomping at the but to beat up on innocents, smack around some women and kick a few kids. The media black out is as it should be. You said it: “This is NOT a just war,” this is, and needs to be, covert actions used to root out, capture or destroy not only the terrorists, but the instruments of terror, their supplies and anything they might use to inflict harm on others (except, I guess maybe the rocks on the groud, but you have to set _some_ limits.) Having cameras around every corner, sending troop position reports across the globe for anyone and _everyone_ to see is the most ridiculous thing we could do and it would be so detrimental to our troops and our cause, I simply can’t wrap my mind around the fact that people think it is a good idea! > [@](#): > > I am all for finding the terrorists BUT NOT by “Any Means Necessary.” _By Any Means Necessary_ was the name of the pseudo-hippy troup. > [@](#): > > …I do not think that Bush’s Holy Crusade that only kills innocent civilians, takes away freedoms back home, and serves to make the terrorist’s point is the answer either. Yes, it’s all that damn Bush guys war, we Americans want nothing to do with it. The freedoms of which you speak are the same ones that were so easily exploited to create the havoc and death we saw last week. Are you _really_ so inconvenienced by a thorough search of your bags at the airport? By the loss of drive-up check-in? By a real-time media black-out of war? > [@](#): > > And all you jackasses can do is compare people to hippies hoping to make people feel stupid for action. No, he was comparing them to people striving to act like people who were misguided 30 years ago (though they kinda had a reason for protest) but have been glamorized for the last 10. Watch PCU (the movie) and you’ll likely see the folks he is talking about. The angst-ridden college students, finding out that they do, in fact, have a voice and taking the opportunity, being away from home for the first time, to speak out against perceived wrongs. Any perceived wrongs. **Every** perceived wrong. To speak in a great, sweeping manner, these people don’t know what they are railing against, they are lemmings following the _en vogue_ cause to rally against, to make a statement about and get all puffed up and tormented over. Here today, gone tomorrow…or whenever the next big thing comes along. > [@](#): > > The truth is, there IS NO real course of action to be taken at this time, therefore NO ACTION should be taken. The turth is that there is plenty of action to be taken. Investigation, infiltration and coordination of allies and information. No action has been taken, yet, and I take that as an amazing bit of restraint. Do you really think that any other country on the planet would be showing as much control and, though angry, level-headedness over the last week-and-a-half? We have not knee-jerked with missiles flying and bombs dropping, though we’ve been accused of it almost from day one of this disaster. _“And that’s the sad truth.”_ Indeed. > [@](#): > > But you’re probably on your blind patriotism bandwagon and I hope it suits you. Why don’t you sign up so you can go kill some evil ragheads? If I’m going to blindly support something, you’re damn right it’s going to be my country. Luckily, I’m able to go about my day with my eyes wide open. I’m able to look into any aspect of the upcoming battle and the history behind it and I’m able to form my own conclusions and opinions. I’m able to make statements without painting those that disagree with the hateful brush of racism, xenophobia and blood-lust, or in your case, any rhetoric that makes your argument: “Me good, you bad.” Those in the military don’t want to indiscriminately slaughter people. Nothing would make them happier than to find those that perpetrate terror and oppression upon their fellow countrymen and sew terror across the globe because they have a difference in ideology, to find those people and bring them to justice. That is the mission, that is the goal. ---
**Author:** ![Zaphod\_Beeblebrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/0ea827/32.png) [@Zaphod\_Beeblebrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zaphod_Beeblebrox)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/29 "2001-09-21T16:14:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Does anyone else wish “America brought this on itself, let’s do nothing” crowd would run across the “Let’s go nuke us some A-rabs” faction? The resulting melee would eliminate the radicals on both sides, thus sparing rational people the embarassment of calling these people our fellow Americans. Ahhh… If only I were American and given to lengthy sigs… ---
**Author:** ![techchick68](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@techchick68](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/techchick68)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/30 "2001-09-21T16:15:09Z")
I don’t want to state what I have already stated in another thread so I will link to it. Not everyone supports what is being done, some of us just need to find a way to accept it and not get our panties in a wad over it. I guess being 33 rather than in my late teens or early 20s makes a big difference. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=87970](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=87970) ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/31 "2001-09-21T16:34:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dropzone \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > > \*\*BTW Times New Roman allows you relive the glory of the republic with full serif. \*\* > > Fascist! \*\* This discussion has ended. I win! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/32 "2001-09-21T16:38:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grim\_Beaker \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > The truth is, there IS NO real course of action to be taken at this time, therefore NO ACTION should be taken. > > Uh huh… > > Ok so when is the appropriate time to act? When the Empire State building goes down in flames due to terrorist actions? Or perhaps the whitehouse? Maybe the Sears tower? > > Seriously. I want to know. \*\* When there is something to act upon would be a good time. Erek ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/33 "2001-09-21T16:39:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by techchick68 \* > **not get our panties in a wad over it.** Liz, in deference to the serious situation our country is in and the ardent efforts to put this thread back on track, I will not belabor the fact that you do not, in fact, wear panties. ---
**Author:** ![Blackclaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e68b1a/32.png) [@Blackclaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackclaw)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/34 "2001-09-21T16:54:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Grim\_Beaker \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > The truth is, there IS NO real course of action to be taken at this time, therefore NO ACTION should be taken. > > > > Uh huh… > > > > Ok so when is the appropriate time to act? When the Empire State building goes down in flames due to terrorist actions? Or perhaps the whitehouse? Maybe the Sears tower? > > > > Seriously. I want to know. \*\* > > When there is something to act upon would be a good time. > > Erek \*\* That’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen posted yet. And I remember the fucking foreskin debate. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Beaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Grim\_Beaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Beaker)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/35 "2001-09-21T17:12:13Z")
> [@](#): > > When there is something to act upon would be a good time. Your logic is irrefutable :rolleyes: … maybe you could elaborate and indicate exactly what conditions and situation would need to exist in order to qualify as “something to act upon”. Here’s a hint: “A situation where action can be taken” nor any variation of it is an acceptable level of detail in an answer. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/36 "2001-09-21T17:12:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Oblong \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > However I do not think that Bush’s Holy Crusade that only kills innocent civilians, takes away freedoms back home, and serves to make the terrorist’s point is the answer either > > Stop making shit up! > > I forgot when Bush made the announcement that we were going to ‘bomb the diaperheads’. He’s said all along that this battle will be a patience tester. Those people don’t have freedoms! > > How is retaliation against those who did this making their point? > > Bush was very clear this wasn’t against a nation or a religion. It’s against a loose network of people that we have to go find. We aren’t goint to just drop bombs randomnly out of the sky hoping that we get them. > > If you thought Bush’s speech was inflammatory, then you are a 100% certified idiot. I really don’t know what you expect from the President. Should we just give in? What should we do? Offer suggestions. \*\* I am proud to be 100% idiot. Though, thank god I am not the only one who thinks that about Bush’s speech. Retaliation against Afghanistan is only going to unite people into a Jihad which is what the terrorists want. Just wait until our bases in Pakistan are overrun when the ruling government of Pakistan falls because of the support they give US troops. It’s not simple and cut and dry, a lot of shit is going to go down and Bush is acting like a fool. Erek ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/37 "2001-09-21T17:29:02Z")
Shoot, now we’re going to have to have a Gang of Five, and that completely blows the historical resonance of the link to Mao’s widow and her co-conspirators, plus a link to an interesting 80’s pop band. > [@](#): > > When there is something to act upon would be a good time. Say, for example, the destruction of the WTC, an attack on America’s military headquarters, and the deaths of thousands of civilians? > [@](#): > > .Just wait until our bases in Pakistan are overrun when the ruling government of Pakistan falls because of the support they give US troops. We don’t have any bases in Pakistan > [@](#): > > It’s not simple and cut and dry, a lot of shit is going to go down and Bush is acting like a fool. How,exactly, is Bush acting like a fool? Has he bombed anyone yet? Has he reacted blindly, or has he consulted with his Cabinet to figure out a measured response? Has he he declared war on all Islamdom, or was he careful to say that we are angry only at terrorists and that the US supports its Muslim population and friends abroad? I didn’t vote for him, but, more and more, Dubya is gaining my grudging admiration, although I’d be a lot happier to to see Rudy Guiliani as Prez. ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/38 "2001-09-21T17:37:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > I am proud to be 100% idiot. \*\* 'Nuf said. You could have stopped there, but you go on… > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by mswas \* > Though, thank god I am not the only one who thinks that about Bush’s speech._\* Agreed, there are other idiots… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > Retaliation against Afghanistan is only going to unite people into a Jihad which is what the terrorists want. Just wait until our bases in Pakistan are overrun when the ruling government of Pakistan falls because of the support they give US troops. It’s not simple and cut and dry, a lot of shit is going to go down and Bush is acting like a fool. > > Erek \*\* Brilliant political analysis, excellent sentence structure. You are not a 100% idiot after all. But please explain why you think our President, his advisors, and Militay have not thought of this? Are you saying they look forward to inciting a Holy War? Is that why he said (repeatedly) that this is not a war on Islam or on Arab nations in general? Is that why he warned against acts of intolerance here? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mswas \* > Bush’s speech was not a good speech, it was flagrantly inflammatory. \*\* Please explain 1) How was this inflamatory, and 2) If it was, who was it meant to inflame? Terrorists? What should we do for them? Sing a love song after they killed God knows how many people? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/39 "2001-09-21T17:50:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Grim\_Beaker \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > When there is something to act upon would be a good time. > > Your logic is irrefutable :rolleyes: … maybe you could elaborate and indicate exactly what conditions and situation would need to exist in order to qualify as “something to act upon”. > > Here’s a hint: “A situation where action can be taken” nor any variation of it is an acceptable level of detail in an answer. \*\* Alright, to clarify, when they find a way to get at the real perpetrators, when they have fairly good proof, I will support an action that doesn’t include Aircraft Carriers, Tomahawks and 100 warplanes against a country that doesn’t even have an infrastructure. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2001, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994/40 "2001-09-21T17:53:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\*…‘Baez’…should be disallowed. \*\* All your baez are belong to us. **machine gun fire** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-come-the-pseudo-hippies/82994.md?page=3)