# Here I go again. South Park hates Liberals, and I hate South Park(not completely, t) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501 "2005-04-15T17:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/21 "2005-04-15T20:32:06Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Well, yeah, I was one of those debaters. Now, I understand Mr. Garrison is a freak, and a repressed homosexual, but to show the writers don’t hate gay people, we have Big Gay Al. He is a pretty nice person. I see no positive example of a transsexual, so a casual viewer may assume that Mr. Garrison is a good example of transexuality. Wait, so we have to have a balance with a ‘good’ transsexual, because that’s the ONLY reason we know that Parker and Scott don’t hate gays in their treatment of Garrison? That’s not a good argument. It seems to reiterate the Garrison is messed up. I think few people though Parker and Snow hated gay people after all the BS that Garrison did (and the whole Mr. Slave thing). > [@](#): > > Yes, in the episode Red Hot Catholic Love, the writers, speaking through the kids, claimed that atheism is “full of shit”, and while religion may be appear to be full of shit, for some nonspecific reason, it is better then no religion at all, since without religion in peoples lives, they’ll just go around spewing a bunch of crap out of their mouths. :mad: And in that SAME episode, there was talk about how it was in the “Document of Holy Vatican Law” that Catholic priests have the right to molest little children. I don’t think they were saying much good about organized religion right there. Oh, and the Catholics appealed to a Giant Spider for final guidance. > [@](#): > > Also, well, I can’t remember the details right now, but it contained a strawman, wherein the 200 election recount was made to sound like a bunch of whiners who wanted recount after recount of the election, till them some how won, instead of what it really was, an automatic record due to Florida state law. :mad: So… wait. Since they made fun of one side during the 2000 election, that means they are irrevocably biased? After all the stuff they’ve accused about Republicans (HELLO… controlled by Satan is, I think, worse than being called whiners)? How about the Boy Scouts? When they got rid of Big Gay Al, suddenly they had the manly Scout leader who made the scouts take off all their clothes and take pictures of them. Christians? Mel Gibson was portrayed as a lunatic and people who liked “The Passion” were easily led by Cartman into a march to advocate killing the Jews. Also Mrs. Brovlovski is obviously a representation of the Religious Right and is portrayed in a HORRIBLE light. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/22 "2005-04-15T20:32:15Z")
Oh, and I was flipping channels when I came across the transsexual episode, with Mr. Garrison trying to have an abortion. Sickening. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/23 "2005-04-15T20:36:14Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > South Park is just a stupid cartoon that’s occasionally funny. What annoys me is when people start talking about what _genius_ it is, and OMG what brilliant satire! It’s nothing of the kind. It doesn’t take a genius to shock people, just a lot of guts. Strip away the shock-value, and South Park is nothing. I agree with a part of that. South Park isn’t “genius”. It’s a hilarious comedy that _occasionally_ has moments of genius. Such as the Schiavo episode when the last page of the will was revealed. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/24 "2005-04-15T20:37:54Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I don’t really get “libertarian” from Parker and Stone. I get more anarcho-capitalist or something. I get more of a “The Guy In Elementary School Who Would Eat Three Day Old Dog-Shit for a Quarter” vibe. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/25 "2005-04-15T20:43:32Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Wait, so we have to have a balance with a ‘good’ transsexual, because that’s the ONLY reason we know that Parker and Scott don’t hate gays in their treatment of Garrison? well, I know I should use paragraphs more often, but still, in post 14, I said: > [@](#): > > _I do not see a way I could advocate that they add an episode about a positive transitioned man or women_, \*\*but I can’t without being accused of trying to censor them, so I suppose that the answer would be to wish they realized that gender issues have been slammed enough. \*\*Since they didn’t I can only assume that Parker and Stone think transsexuals are freaky. > [@](#): > > That’s not a good argument. It seems to reiterate the Garrison is messed up. I think few people though Parker and Snow hated gay people after all the BS that Garrison did (and the whole Mr. Slave thing). Again, Big Gay Al is a positive gay figure, and an antidote to Garrison > [@](#): > > And in that SAME episode, there was talk about how it was in the “Document of Holy Vatican Law” that Catholic priests have the right to molest little children. I don’t think they were saying much good about organized religion right there. Oh, and the Catholics appealed to a Giant Spider for final guidance. Yes, and after **all** that, before the end of the episode, things went back to being status quo. > [@](#): > > So… wait. Since they made fun of one side during the 2000 election, that means they are irrevocably biased? After all the stuff they’ve accused about Republicans (HELLO… controlled by Satan is, I think, worse than being called whiners)? How about the Boy Scouts?\ Yes, that’s right. Being opposed to republicans doesn’t mean they can’t, and have taken up republican strawmen, for their own purposes. As you said, they are libertarians. That doesn’t mean they haven’t occasionally ripped on the liberal for sins they are not actually guilty of, re: 2000 election. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/26 "2005-04-15T20:49:06Z")
> [@Scott\_Plaid](#): > > ::Putting on mod hat, stolen on his behalf by Teh Cheat:: Not funny. You are not a mod, you do not have a mod hat. If you feel that a moderator’s view or interference is called for, hit REPORT THIS POST button (the little exclamation point in the upper right hand corner.) > [@Cliffy](#): > > Studies by independent bodies have shown you’re fat and ugly, Rik. Also not funny, and not appropriate for Cafe Society. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/27 "2005-04-15T21:13:35Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Not funny. You are not a mod, you do not have a mod hat. If you feel that a moderator’s view or interference is called for, hit REPORT THIS POST button (the little exclamation point in the upper right hand corner.) Yes, that is why I did not report him. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/28 "2005-04-15T21:54:06Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > Studies by independent bodies have shown you’re fat and ugly, **Rik**. > > Well, there, it must be true. > > –Cliffy There may be a study that says I am fat and ugly, but I haven’t seen it. I’ve seen the one of which I speak. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/29 "2005-04-15T21:55:09Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > If by “independent bodies” you mean “right-wing think-tanks,” then you’re right, **Rik.** But then, you’re the guy who thinks Jeff Gannon is an innocent victim hounded by the lefty media, which speaks for itself… 😉 I don’t recall ever saying anything about Jeff Gannon. Please provide a link if you can. I don’t think you can. And no, when I say independent, I MEAN independent. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/30 "2005-04-15T21:56:28Z")
[::The Cheat knocks over the lamp, breaking it. A light turns on and Homestar comes out. He is wearing pajamas, and it appears he hasn’t shaved. Scott Bad looks hastily for an escape and The Cheat puts his hands in the air.:: Homestar Runner: {tired} Oh, hey, Scott Sad. Batman. What are you guys doing in my house? Scott Bad: We’ve been ID’d! Every man for himself! {he and The Cheat run away}]([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/caper](http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/caper)) ---
**Author:** ![Duderdude2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cdc98d/32.png) [@Duderdude2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duderdude2)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/31 "2005-04-15T22:18:26Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > Not funny. You are not a mod, you do not have a mod hat. If you feel that a moderator’s view or interference is called for, hit REPORT THIS POST button (the little exclamation point in the upper right hand corner.) Calm down cowboy, he never claimed to be a mod, and I don’t think anyone was confused by his “hat.” ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/32 "2005-04-15T22:29:54Z")
South Park hates me?!? Oh noes! I’ll have to stop watching the one episode I catch every four years (it’s a little LCD for me, although I admit the PSP episode was funny as hell). Wait, why should I give a rat’s ass about this? Are we surmising that South Park is going to affect a social change in our country? If so, is it pushing a conservative agenda or a Republican agenda? If it’s conservative, it’d be a big ol’ step in the right direction for us. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/33 "2005-04-15T22:29:56Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > The view points of SP writers Trey Parker, and Matt Stone seem, in my view to be “There are some points in which we can agree with liberals, but for the most part, they are leading this country down the wrong path.” I think such a viewpoint is scary. Why? To wit… You say that two guys who make a half-hour animated cartoon agree with your views (or at least what I presume you are saying your views are?) on some things, but they think most of the rest of your views are wrong. Suppose that premise is totally true, and these two guys disagree with most of your views. Why is that scary? ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/34 "2005-04-15T22:38:29Z")
I was going to give a long anwer, but instead, just read Slacker post, the one above yours, and realize that I do not want the country to be more conservative then it already is. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/35 "2005-04-15T22:51:48Z")
Remember when South Park was a celebration of the scatalogical joys of childhood rather than \*Donahue \*with poop jokes? (_clutches season 1 DVD’ to her bosom_) When they STFU about the politics Hail Satan!, they’re great. When it’s libertarian _Designing Women_ , ehhhh. “Asshat!” “Screw you, hippie!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/36 "2005-04-15T23:16:35Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Well, yeah, I was one of those debaters. Now, I understand Mr. Garrison is a freak, and a repressed homosexual, but to show the writers don’t hate gay people, we have Big Gay Al. He is a pretty nice person. I see no positive example of a transsexual, so a casual viewer may assume that Mr. Garrison is a good example of transexuality. Yes, in the episode Red Hot Catholic Love, the writers, speaking through the kids, claimed that atheism is “full of shit”, and while religion may be appear to be full of shit, for some nonspecific reason, it is better then no religion at all, since without religion in peoples lives, they’ll just go around spewing a bunch of crap out of their mouths. :mad: > . I took it to mean that becoming an atheist for such as stupid reason as the fact that the catholic church seems to have some major issues is akin to shitting out your mouth. It’s not like cathlicism is the only branch of christiany there is, so you have a choice between catholicism and athiesm. But then again, maybe you do have a point, since Athiesm doesn’t make much sense in the SP universe considering that not only did Jesus live in town, Both God and Satan have visited(God himself appeared in front of that huge crowd in LV). ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/37 "2005-04-15T23:18:29Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > I get more of a “The Guy In Elementary School Who Would Eat Three Day Old Dog-Shit for a Quarter” vibe. Ah, the “Crazy Kenny” episode. _Sings the “Prostitute song” with James Taylor_ ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/38 "2005-04-15T23:24:40Z")
Analyze the last two new eps: “The Losing Edge”: the boys are happy to see the regular baseball season since they hate playing. Unfortunately, since they have the best record, they go on to the playoffs. The B story is Stan’s father who gets his jollies fighting with fathers of opposing team members. “The Death of Eric Cartman”: The boys decide they’ve had enough of Cartman’s bull so they ignore him and convice all the kids in school to do the same. This causes him to believe he’s dead. Butters is not in on the joke and thinks he’s crazy because he sees “dead people”. ---
**Author:** ![midget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@midget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midget)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/39 "2005-04-15T23:42:26Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I took it to mean that becoming an atheist for such as stupid reason as the fact that the catholic church seems to have some major issues is akin to shitting out your mouth. It’s not like cathlicism is the only branch of christiany there is, so you have a choice between catholicism and athiesm. That’s exactly the message that I got. I’m athiest, and I had no problem whatsoever with that ep. You can pick one or two Southpark episodes or quotes here and there, and argue that they’re biased against ANY group. Arguing that Southpark is conservative based on two episodes (and ignoring all the evidence to the contrary) is just a complete waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![midget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90db22/32.png) [@midget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/midget)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/40 "2005-04-15T23:53:51Z")
Plus, how the hell can you argue that Matt Stone/Trey Parker are conservative after they made Team America?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501.md?page=3)