# Here I go again. South Park hates Liberals, and I hate South Park(not completely, t) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501 "2005-04-15T17:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/41 "2005-04-16T00:22:39Z")
> [@midget](#): > > Plus, how the hell can you argue that Matt Stone/Trey Parker are conservative after they made Team America?? Huh. I saw Team America as very much pro-conservative. Still thought it was funny, though. For the most part, Stone and Parker’s positions are coherent and well thought-out, and delivered with wicked wit, and have often made me reconsider some things that I had taken for granted (even if after reconsideration, I decide I was right in the first place.) I don’t want everything I see, hear, or read to merely parrot back positions I already hold. That way lies mental stagnation and total boredom. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/42 "2005-04-16T00:35:33Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > Are we surmising that South Park is going to affect a social change in our country? Stranger things have happened . . . “Boss” Tweed was destroyed by Thomas Nast’s cartoons as much as anything else. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/43 "2005-04-16T00:43:06Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Now, I believe that “the liberal media” is a bugaboo, invented by conservatives to make them seem like the downtrodden, as opposed to those actually downtrodden . . . > [@RikWriter](#): > > Then you’re wrong. Studies by independent bodies show quite plainly that you’re wrong. > [@RikWriter](#): > > I’ve seen the one of which I speak. > [@RikWriter](#): > > And no, when I say independent, I MEAN independent. Cite, please? But not here – it wouldn’t be appropriate, as the mods have admonished us in this and other CS threads. Start a GD thread – “Liberal media bias exists” or something to that effect" – with a cite to this study (and a link, ideally), and we shall we what we shall see. You’d be filling a void. Many Dopers have argued in GD for the existence of “liberal media bias” but I’ve never seen one cite an “independent study” in support. (Some cite Bernie Goldberg’s books, but that doesn’t really count.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/44 "2005-04-16T00:47:11Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > I don’t really get “libertarian” from Parker and Stone. I get more anarcho-capitalist or something. What’s the difference? > [@acsenray](#): > > Basically their attitude is, “If I’m doing okay, then nothing should be changed.” Doesn’t clear up the picture. I’ve known a lot of Libertarians with that attitude. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/45 "2005-04-16T02:29:01Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > …I see no positive example of a transsexual… :smack: You really should just let this go. This is **South Park**. This is **NOT** : - an ABC after-school special - a Very Special _Blossom_ - a _60 Minutes_ editorial - anything anyone takes seriously > [@Eve](#): > > Uh, no he didn’t. It was the most vicious anti-transsexual diatribe I have ever seen, and I’ve seen some doozies. > > I stopped watching the show after that—why the hell should I watcha “comedy” that depresses me and pisses the hell out of me? I got enough aggravation. So, let’s get this straight…after several seasons on the air, Trey and Matt **FINALLY** got around to poking fun at your particular demographic, or one that you hold in esteem. Well aren’t you special little %#&@ing flower that it took them this long? Nobody has any right to offend you!!! :wally Lighten up…you’re just another notch in their bedposts. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/46 "2005-04-16T03:03:00Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > The media, as a whole, is only biased towards whatever will make it money. > > Individual programs, however, can and often do lean in specific directions. The Daily Show has a liberal bias. South Park has a pretty strong anti-Liberal, vaguely libertairan bias. > > Both shws are worth watching and don’t often let their ideology overcome thier quality. Just wanted to parrot your excellent post. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/47 "2005-04-16T03:54:40Z")
Hippy! ---
**Author:** ![jackelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@jackelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackelope)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/48 "2005-04-16T05:10:09Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > The view points of SP writers Trey Parker, and Matt Stone seem, in my view to be “There are some points in which we can agree with liberals, but for the most part, they are leading this country down the wrong path.” I think such a viewpoint is scary. I dunno, I said that around the campfire, but nobody got scared… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/49 "2005-04-16T05:11:48Z")
> [@jackelope](#): > > I dunno, I said that around the campfire, but nobody got scared… That’s because you never went camping with Komsomol! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/50 "2005-04-16T05:35:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Huh. I saw Team America as very much pro-conservative. > > . Maybe a little, but it definatly looked like it was poking fun at the Bush adminstration’s approach to the war on terror. It just doesn’t name names like it does with the liberal entertainers who they mock. Gary’s inflitration job in cairo looked like a bit of a poke at US intelligence(the hammer, the signal, the “disguise”). ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/51 "2005-04-16T06:47:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t want everything I see, hear, or read to merely parrot back positions I already hold. That way lies mental stagnation and total boredom. And that is why you are not in charge of programming at Fox News. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/52 "2005-04-16T08:52:01Z")
_The Simpsons_ is better, and always will be. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/53 "2005-04-16T13:39:10Z")
Seems to me like South Park will zing your beliefs one week, your neighbor’s the next. What’s wrong with that? And heck, if it has a right wing slant (which I contend it doesn’t), who cares? As a moderate to conservative person I can watch The Daily Show and laugh out loud when Stewart skewers my core beliefs. As long as its funny… ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/54 "2005-04-16T14:13:24Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > Seems to me like South Park will zing your beliefs one week, your neighbor’s the next. > > What’s wrong with that? > > And heck, if it has a right wing slant (which I contend it doesn’t), who cares? As a moderate to conservative person I can watch The Daily Show and laugh out loud when Stewart skewers my core beliefs. As long as its funny… That’s my opinion as well. You can make fun of my political and social beliefs. I’m a big boy, I can take it. And even after the jokes, I’ll still be right. 😉 I think South Park crossed a line with the transgendered episode, however. But that one episode… That was just hateful. But I understand everyone else doesn’t agree that they were actually targetting transgendered people in general, rather than just Mr(s). Garrison, and I think that points out the difficulty with dissecting political humor like this. How much of this is satire intended to advance an opinion as much as to entertan? What’s simply wacky shit simply to get a laugh? What portrayals are ironic, and which are supposed to be accurate, if exaggerated for comic effect? In the end, does it really even matter? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/55 "2005-04-16T15:35:32Z")
Moderator intrudes: Look, there can be a fine line between arts (Cafe Society forum) and political statements (Great Debates forum.) We presently have several forums where you can rant against your favorite political opponents, we don’t need another such. A discussion of the “politics of South Park” is fine in this forum. A discussion about reality – such as rants against the extreme right, the extreme left, or the extreme center – are out of place here. Please, keep the discussion here focused on South Park and what you think are its political views… and let’s not get into politics in general. OK? ---
**Author:** ![Soapbox\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Soapbox\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soapbox_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/56 "2005-04-16T22:19:48Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > _The Simpsons_ is better, and always will be. What year are you living in? Got an extra seat in that time machine? ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2005, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/57 "2005-04-16T22:29:52Z")
> [@unwashed brain](#): > > :smack: You really should just let this go. > > This is **South Park**. > This is **NOT** : > > - an ABC after-school special > - a Very Special _Blossom_ > - a _60 Minutes_ editorial > - anything anyone takes seriously > > So, let’s get this straight…after several seasons on the air, Trey and Matt **FINALLY** got around to poking fun at your particular demographic, or one that you hold in esteem. Well aren’t you special little %#&@ing flower that it took them this long? Nobody has any right to offend you!!! :wally > > Lighten up…you’re just another notch in their bedposts. 1. Learn how to behave yourself in polite Cafe Society, little boy. This is not the Pit. 2. You can’t seriously claim South Park doesn’t have its thudding “After School Special” morals, with Kyle or Stan looking right into the camera at the end of the episode and telling us what we should think? 3. Even intelligent people like **Miller** say their opinions can be informed and shaped by this show. 4. if you read the other thread on this subject (do a search), you’ll see that I’ve stated I can indeed take a joke–when it’s witty. As in the transsexual jokes on Futurama and I’m with Her. This South Park episode was nothing more than an attack on Dr. Biber’s Colorado clinic and on transsexuals, who are called flat-out “delusional, surgically mutilated men.” That ain’t humor, it’s hate propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/58 "2005-04-17T00:30:00Z")
> [@midget](#): > > Plus, how the hell can you argue that Matt Stone/Trey Parker are conservative after they made Team America?? Stone and Parker’s own explanation of the movie’s theme was that the world is full of dicks (conservatives/militarists/unilateralists/people who take it upon themselves to trample over others’ liberties in order to do what they believe needs to be done) and pussies (liberals/people who whine about personal liberties and fairness etc.) and while dicks are nasty, their dick-ish behaviour is necessary to protect our well-being; whereas pussies are always contemptible and may be safely ignored. Doesn’t seem like a pro-liberal philosophy to me ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/59 "2005-04-17T00:33:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What’s the difference? > > Doesn’t clear up the picture. I’ve known a lot of Libertarians with that attitude. So far as I understand it, a libertarian’s attitude is that government should interfere with _everyone’s_ personal decisions as little as possible. Parker and Stone’s attitude is, so long as no one’s interfering with me, I don’t give a shit whether the government is interfering with other people’s personal decisions. So long as I’m doing well, anyone who’s complaining is a pussy. To me, there seems to be a difference between the two. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/60 "2005-04-17T01:50:16Z")
I wasn’t offended by Team America as a partisan. I was offended as a movie fan! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501.md?page=4)