# Here I go again. South Park hates Liberals, and I hate South Park(not completely, t) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2005, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501 "2005-04-15T17:11:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/61 "2005-04-17T04:47:39Z")
As I remember, Parker and Stone have called themselves “equal-opportunity offenders.” > [@HPL](#): > > But then again, maybe you do have a point, since Athiesm doesn’t make much sense in the SP universe considering that not only did Jesus live in town, Both God and Satan have visited(God himself appeared in front of that huge crowd in LV). Hey, and on top of that even the South Park Gods and demigods themselves are far from “perfect.” Satan isn’t that evil and Hell has some nice sections, while God is a Kobold Buddist who only lets Mormons (who’s religion was seemingly founded by a con man) into paradise and got flimflamed by Saddam Hussain’s ghost. The _entire South Park world is a joke._ No one’s perfect, no one’s sacred, and _everyone_ is a potential target. Sometimes it’s a withering satire, sometimes it’s a crap joke. But it’s meant to _make you laugh._ And, you know what? Maybe everything _deserves_ to be laughed at, at one time or one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![mic84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@mic84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mic84)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/62 "2005-04-17T06:49:43Z")
About the “equal opportunity offenders” thing, does _South Park_ make fun of the vaguely individualist-‘common sense’-utilitarian attitude of the creators of the show? I’d think that you really do need to offend your audience from time to time to get that title. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/63 "2005-04-17T07:35:26Z")
> [@mic84](#): > > About the “equal opportunity offenders” thing, does _South Park_ make fun of the vaguely individualist-‘common sense’-utilitarian attitude of the creators of the show? I’d think that you really do need to offend your audience from time to time to get that title. If they haven’t yet, I can only imagine that it’s only a matter of time. (Like when Trey and Matt inevitably start to argue over creative control, one of them marries a Japanese conceptual artist, and the whole thing ends in a weepy series finale where Kenny gets a “section 8” after accidentally making a Korean refugee smother Cartman. 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/64 "2005-04-17T07:38:45Z")
> [@acsenray](#): > > Stone and Parker’s own explanation of the movie’s theme was that the world is full of dicks (conservatives/militarists/unilateralists/people who take it upon themselves to trample over others’ liberties in order to do what they believe needs to be done) and pussies (liberals/people who whine about personal liberties and fairness etc.) and while dicks are nasty, their dick-ish behaviour is necessary to protect our well-being; whereas pussies are always contemptible and may be safely ignored. It’s not their explanation; it’s dialog from the movie, carefully paraphrased and cut to justify your desire to feel persecuted. > [@](#): > > Gary Johnston: We’re dicks! We’re reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don’t like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. _ **The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn’t appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that** _. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves… because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don’t know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this: If you don’t let us fuck this asshole, we’re going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/65 "2005-04-17T14:46:36Z")
> [@furt](#): > > It’s not their explanation; it’s dialog from the movie, carefully paraphrased and cut to justify your desire to feel persecuted. Isn’t that the kind of statement that the mods have been slapping people around here for? I’ll thank you not to tell me about my feelings. From the horses’ assholes: Interview with Stone and Parker in : > [@](#): > > **Parker:** [Laughs] The thing is, obviously, we’re not setting out to make a movie going, Look, America, this is how you should run things, this is how it should be. Because then we’d be no better than the fucking actors we hate. But the only thing that we assert is that there’s a difference between dicks and assholes. That’s the biggest thing that we assert. > > **Stone:** That’s such a strong political statement. > > **Parker:** And it really kinda is! Because that’s the thing that we realized when we were making the movie. It was always the hardest thing. We wanted to deal with this emotion of being hated as an American. That was the thing that was intriguing to us, and having Gary (the main character) deal with that emotion. And so, him becoming ashamed to be a part of Team America and being ashamed of himself, he comes to realize that, just as he got his brother killed by gorillas – he didn’t kill his brother; he was a dick, he wasn’t an asshole – so too does America have this role in the world as a dick. Cops are dicks, you fucking hate cops, but you need 'em. > > Thanks to all the assholes – or criminals. Or in the case of the movie, terrorists. > > **Parker:** Right. Because there are assholes – terrorists – you gotta have dicks – people who hunt down terrorists. And I think that that is a pretty strong thing to assert, actually … at least the pussies think so. > > **The pussies being the whiny liberals. But you obviously make fun of dicks – or ugly Americans – for the first half of the movie.** > > **Stone:** Well, it’s just Gary coming to terms with the fact that it’s an imperfect world, basically. And this is Gary going, “This is as much sense as I can make of it.” > > **Parker:** Dicks are bad, and it sucks to be a dick, but it’s way worse to be an asshole, and _because there are assholes, we need dicks. So shut the fuck up, all you pussies!_ [emphasis added] [Salon](http://archive.salon.com/ent/feature/2004/10/12/parker_stone/print.html) ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/66 "2005-04-17T15:24:39Z")
HPL, you read the episode as “I took it to mean that becoming an atheist for such as stupid reason as the fact that the catholic church seems to have some major issues is akin to shitting out your mouth.” Personally, I don’t see how such a view is possible. For one thing, a casual view might get the impression that all atheists have the viewpoint shown in this episode, and furthermore, if all an atheist knows of religion is an organization that claims to be the best thing since sliced bread, but in fact covers up child abuse, that seems like a pretty good reason to reject the definition of god offered to them. But then again, I am not **"Spokesperson For The Whole Of Atheism"** > [@acsenray](#): > > Parker and Stone’s attitude is, so long as no one’s interfering with me, I don’t give a shit whether the government is interfering with other people’s personal decisions. So long as I’m doing well, anyone who’s complaining is a pussy. If that is true, then they definitely believe that they, as private citizens can throw their opinion in peoples faces. Now, since people, such as myself, chose to watch the show, there is nothing wrong with their containing opinions on their show. It’s just that, I believe they are a\s for holding such an opinion in their own minds. **furt** , reading over the exact words, it looks like **acsenray** ’s condensing is on target. P.S. To others, them calling themselves “equal opportunity offenders” works, most of the time, but in fact, not always. Sometimes, Stone and Parker just seem to say, “Such-and-such a group is just a bunch of whining assholes and we do not feel the need to depict what they are actually saying.” As Eve has said, sometimes, hate propaganda is hate propaganda, and not “clever satire”. **Ranchoth** , was that a combo of the Beatles, M.A.S.H., **and** “One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest”? :eek: P.S. Posters I agree with and posters I disagree with alike, you have turned this thread into something more thoughtful then my last two attempts to express my opinion of this matter. Thank you all. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/67 "2005-04-17T17:57:31Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > HPL, you read the episode as “I took it to mean that becoming an atheist for such as stupid reason as the fact that the catholic church seems to have some major issues is akin to shitting out your mouth.” Personally, I don’t see how such a view is possible. > . THat’s my view and it’s the same as the first time I saw it. If you can’t see how it’s possible, to me it suggests a lack of imagination on your part. I can see how people would find “Mr. Garrison’s new vagina” episode to be an attack on transgendered people, but I don’t agree that it was. > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > For one thing, a casual view might get the impression that all atheists have the viewpoint shown in this episode, > . And such a person would be an idiot. > [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > and furthermore, if all an atheist knows of religion is an organization that claims to be the best thing since sliced bread, but in fact covers up child abuse, that seems like a pretty good reason to reject the definition of god offered to them. But then again, I am not **"Spokesperson For The Whole Of Atheism"** > . The problem with that is Catholicism doesn’t represent the whole of christanity. It hasn’t for a long time. One could argue it never has. To me, it seems quite a leap from “The Catholic Church is full of \*\*\*\*” to “God Doesn’t exist”, and to radically change your stance on the cosmos because the church is irresponsible seems a bit of a non-seqiuter to me. I could see one or two characters coming to that conclusion, but for the entire town to do so enmasse streches belief. If they were pissed at the church, there was no reason for them to give up a belief in God because of it. There are a numerous other churches thet could have migrated to. Episcopalism is fairly close to catholicism, as I understand it, and would have been an obvious choice. I personally have a lot of problems with organized religion, but I still believe in God, despite the fact I no longer attend any church. That’s where I’m coming form here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/68 "2005-04-17T18:32:59Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Episcopalism is fairly close to catholicism, as I understand it . . . Episcopalianism is derived from Anglicanism – the Church of England – of which it has been said it is a most accommodating church, in that it interferes neither with a man’s politics nor with his religion. But Episcopalians do at any rate share the Catholic belief in “apostolic succession” – that you can’t be a legitimage priest unless you were ordained by a bishop who was ordained by another bishop in an unbroken line going back to one of the Twelve Disciples. (Once when my high-school chorus did a performance at a local Episcopal church, I noticed a plaque on the wall showing a chart of the pastor’s apostolic succession – rather like a genealogical chart.) And they take communion. But they don’t have confessionals, nor the Catholic profusion of holy days, nor, so far as I can tell, veneration of saints. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501/69 "2005-04-17T18:57:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I can see how people would find “Mr. Garrison’s new vagina” episode to be an attack on trangendered people, but I don’t agree that it was. My whole OP tumbles down if there was no enmity towards various concepts and ideas, expressed in the show, which do not deserve such hatred, however, I believe there is. You believe there isn’t. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. > [@](#): > > And such a person would be an idiot. Are you disputing the fact that idiots have the right to vote? Are you also disputing the idea that I am right to be scared by such idiots, voting against civil, and other rights, based on strawmen they perceive as a real view of issues? > [@](#): > > To me, it seems quite a leap from “The Catholic Church is full of \*\*\*\*” to “God Doesn’t exist”, and to radically change your stance on the cosmos because the church is irresponsible seems a bit of a non-seqiuter to me. If the only conception you have of god is the one taught by the catholic church, and you have decided that the church is wrong, then some will seek out other churches, while others, who have already ruled out other religious, due to the way they where raised, will turn their backs on the whole god thing. They may not have done too much research, but in my view, they are making the right choice. Too you, they are not. See my first point in this post for my conclusion. > [@](#): > > I could see one or two characters coming to that conclusion, but for the entire town to do so enmasse streches belief. If they were pissed at the church, there was no reason for them to give up a belief in God because of it. Quite true. However, given that they had, temporarily, and given that they are mere caricatures of personalities, it makes sense for them to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-i-go-again-south-park-hates-liberals-and-i-hate-south-park-not-completely-t/299501.md?page=3)