# Here’s a list of reasons from various pundits about why the Democrats got whipped. Agree / Disagree? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562 "2016-11-20T18:03:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![computergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e56c9b/32.png) [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/61 "2016-11-22T00:33:21Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > I really doubt if President Trump actually **wants** two terms. Let alone what the two parties will want then, or what the masses will want. And no matter what ensues from his policies. > > He wanted to be president. Once he’d done that, and as a bonus enacted policies that increased his fortune, he won’t need this any more. He’ll have shown everyone. > _In Like Flynn_. You think he’ll want to give up that power after only 1 term? Don’t underestimate him like people still seem to be doing. And Bannon, who seems to be the power behind Trump pushing the populist message, will likely do his level best to get Trump to run for a 2nd term if Trump wavers ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/62 "2016-11-22T01:02:20Z")
I never underestimated him: I thought he would win from the first. But he’s an elderly man, and power may not be all it’s cracked up to be — particularly for a multi-billionaire — he has won the ultimate game in American politics: and he has no deep agenda; unlike, say, Sanders or Cheney. The game itself was the point of the game. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/63 "2016-11-22T01:12:46Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Here’s my top 15 reasons: > > 1. Voters are dumb. > > … Did you feel this way when voters elected BHO twice? ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/64 "2016-11-22T01:55:05Z")
Two things that weren’t mentioned but played some part; Wikileaks/Russia propaganda and [voter suppression](http://theweek.com/articles/659599/first-election-without-full-voting-rights-act--already-disaster). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/65 "2016-11-22T02:47:20Z")
My feelings at least; Hillary campaigned in both 2008 and 2016 on “Inevitability”. It _was_ arrogant and lazy, both times. She lost to an better organized man the first time, and failed to inspire the masses to get out and vote for her this time. Hell, this time it drove voter turnout to record lows, allowing the election of a very dangerous man. To the last, Hillary spent the campaign not on the stump, not giving inspiring speeches or at least making the news, but rather giving speeches to rooms full of donors. And yeah, I am still waiting for a shoe to drop on Russian influence and hacking. Won’t change anything, hell, probably wouldn’t even result in the Republicans changing any laws, because it worked in their favor. Only thing you can do is be better prepared for it next time. Unless someone hacks some fantasy land Russian server which is amazingly holding all the exact information about how votes were actually changed in Trump’s favor. Even then all we’d have is a Constitutional Crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/66 "2016-11-22T03:25:11Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Interesting observation. > > But wrong. > > 5 panels still planning probes of Clinton emails. [Link](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/305938-five-panels-still-planning-probes-of-clinton-emails). Did you read your link? “I’m the majority leader; I set the agenda,” McCarthy, the House majority leader, said on “Fox News Sunday.” “The agenda is going to be about job creation; it’s going to be about reforming and repealing ObamaCare. It’s going to be on infrastructure. That’s the focus that this election was about.” As for Clinton, “I leave that portion to law enforcement,” McCarthy said. “That’s just the way I do it. Keep politics out of it.” ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/67 "2016-11-22T05:47:33Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > How then would you explain Trump winning the Republican nomination? No Hillary problem there; no Democratic elites in a bubble. Part of the answer is that a lot republicans/conservatives looked at the slate of candidates for the republican party and saw more of the same establishment players that (to their perception) were merely puppets of a republican party that was more a wing of a liberal/leftist democrat party than anything else. The republican candidates (mostly) were people they felt were not truly conservative. Trump wasn’t the establishment republican, and given the distrust among the rank and file for the establishment wing of the party, he was able to motivate a lot of people who would have otherwise stayed home. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/68 "2016-11-22T05:58:11Z")
The numerous Republican candidates split the vote among themselves and enabled a Trump victory. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/69 "2016-11-22T05:58:14Z")
too late for the edit window, dammit this was supposed to go in a different thread ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/70 "2016-11-22T07:42:16Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > You could be right but I’d be interested in the basis for this conclusion. Wasn’t Obama a popular and charismatic candidate? Didn’t HRC give him a very good run for his money? How is the conclusion reached that she wasn’t nominated because she was unelectable. I’d mean it as a conclusion. It is my memory of the common opinion at the time. That is, there wasn’t any argument about what her problem was with policy, or what her problem was with “White Men” or the “Rust Belt”. The question was if she could get enough people to vote for her, given that a big section of the electorate had already decided they didn’t like her. And yes, she might have won preselection if she hadn’t been up against a good candidate, but I’m thinking particularly of what was said about Clinton then, not what was said about the others. Do you remember differently? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/71 "2016-11-22T14:14:41Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Interesting observation. > > But wrong. > > 5 panels still planning probes of Clinton emails. [Link](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/305938-five-panels-still-planning-probes-of-clinton-emails). > > Clinton emails still coming. [Link](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article116147078.html). The email releases appear to be an ongoing thing through at least 2018. > > We will see what happens. It’ll drop out of the news somewhat, after losing the election the Clintons are pretty much done as far as politics go. But it appears that the issues isn’t going away. > > Slee It’s back in the [news](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/conway-no-clinton-charges-donald-trump/index.html?adkey=bn). Because it’s not being pursued. Because it was never a big deal, and no one ever actually cared about it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/72 "2016-11-22T15:01:06Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Here’s a list of reasons from various pundits about why the Democrats got whipped. > > No specific ranking, just typing as they come to mind based on the articles and opinion pieces I have read over the past several weeks. Are these valid? Do you have any to add? > 1: FBI Director Comey’s last minute antics – Explanation most favored buy HRC, Pelosi and the campaign staff > > 2: Male voter sexism – Most American men will not vote for a woman period > > 3: Internalized misogyny by white female voters - 53% voted for Trump - > > 4: Lack of effort/candidate visits to turn out vote in critical rust belt swing states by HRC campaign > > 5: Complacency by HRC campaign based on inaccurate poll projections > > 6: HRC’s lack of charisma and/or not likeable or relatable enough > > 7: HRC’s overall arrogance/entitlement attitude > > 8: HRC’s political baggage and past statements > > 9: Too many Democratic black, Hispanic and young voters stayed home and did not vote > > 10: Smug, self satisfied attitude by the left in general that they were on the right side of history and held the moral upper hand in their positions caused disaffected Democratic voters with traditional views to move to Trump. > > 11: Overarching history of cultural/political cycles. People just want change after 8 years of Democrats. > > 12: Identity politics. Democrats and liberal institutions in general, especially Colleges and Universities, have spent so much effort encouraging identity politics among various groups that white Americans finally became an identity group themselves and turned out at the polls to give Trump the margin he needed. “Live by identity politics, die by identity politics”. > > 13: Obamacare structural and actuarial problems were causing health insurance costs to skyrocket for various working class/middle class groups, especially in swing states, and they were desperate to find some way to control or deal with these. Trump was an anti-Obamacare vote for these voters. – Note this is my personal hot button. I voted for Hillary but if I had voted for Trump this would have been why. > > 14: Inaccurate polling led to Democratic and media echo chamber where liberal never realized what was actually happening on the ground until election night. > > 15: Embarrassed white voters lied like rugs when polled about whether they would vote for Trump. All of the above except 2 and 3. There are certainly men (and women) who won’t vote for a woman but its not the majority of men and the anti-woman women out there are probably outnumbered by the anti-Hillary women out there. A lot of women took offense to the notion that they owed their vote to Hillary because they both have vaginas. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/73 "2016-11-22T16:36:02Z")
They should also add that the last 3 democratic presidents won because they were young and had great charisma and young families with cute kids. I’m talking Carter, Bill, and Obama. And the losers were old, not exciting, and considered old establishment. I’m talking Gore, Kerry, and now Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/74 "2016-11-22T16:59:46Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > They should also add that the last 3 democratic presidents won because they were young and had great charisma and young families with cute kids. I’m talking Carter, Bill, and Obama. > > And the losers were old, not exciting, and considered old establishment. I’m talking Gore, Kerry, and now Hillary. I do have to admit that my primary issue with the Democrats right now is the age of their leadership - being all in their 70’s. We need new blood. Ok, maybe tied with the fact that only one of them has a damned spine. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/75 "2016-11-22T20:23:10Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Pizza??? "The terrible pizza that Obama has been shoving down your throat for the past eight years has been a total disaster. It’s the worst pizza in history. I’m gonna make the greatest pizza you ever tasted. Such a big league pizza. And you know what else? I’m gonna have it reclassified as a health food. I’m gonna fire all those lying doctors who say it’s bad for you, and then I’m gonna sue them. I know more about healthy eating than any of them. I eat a whole pizza every day at my restaurant in Trump tower - best pizza in the world, by the way - and look at me. I’m the healthiest candidate to ever run for anything, ever. You’re gonna be eating pizza for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and let me tell you, you’re all gonna be so happy with it folks, so happy. And we’ll make Italy pay for it." ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/76 "2016-11-23T00:10:59Z")
[quote=“astro, post:1, topic:772562”] > [@](#): > > Here’s a list of reasons from various pundits about why the Democrats got whipped. > > No specific ranking, just typing as they come to mind based on the articles and opinion pieces I have read over the past several weeks. Are these valid? Do you have any to add? First, as others have said, they didn’t get whipped, they made gains in the House and Senate and their Presidential candidate won a plurality of votes. Also, as others have said, in such a close election you could identify hundreds of variables which might have affected the result. But: > [@](#): > > 1: FBI Director Comey’s last minute antics – Explanation most favored buy HRC, Pelosi and the campaign staff Yeah, I don’t think this made a big difference, but again, super close election, maybe… > [@](#): > > 2: Male voter sexism – Most American men will not vote for a woman period > > 3: Internalized misogyny by white female voters - 53% voted for Trump - No, I think this was a rejection of Hillary Clinton, not a rejection of Women. And as a man, I am certainly not going to accuse any women of “internalized misogyny”, I’ll leave that for them to sort out! > [@](#): > > 4: Lack of effort/candidate visits to turn out vote in critical rust belt swing states by HRC campaign > > 5: Complacency by HRC campaign based on inaccurate poll projections I guess these are tied together…obviously in retrospect their strategy failed. I don’t remember anyone _outside_ the Clinton campaign saying that at the time, though. Hindsight is always 20/20. > [@](#): > > 6: HRC’s lack of charisma and/or not likeable or relatable enough > > 7: HRC’s overall arrogance/entitlement attitude > > 8: HRC’s political baggage and past statements Yep. Terrible candidate. There’s your #1 problem right there. > [@](#): > > 9: Too many Democratic black, Hispanic and young voters stayed home and did not vote Well, yeah, that’s pretty obvious, but the question is why? > [@](#): > > 10: Smug, self satisfied attitude by the left in general that they were on the right side of history and held the moral upper hand in their positions caused disaffected Democratic voters with traditional views to move to Trump. Not buying it. Trump got fewer votes than Romney. This election was more about turnout of the bases than people switching parties. > [@](#): > > 11: Overarching history of cultural/political cycles. People just want change after 8 years of Democrats. There’s a lot to this. It’s historically very hard to win three Presidential elections in a row. I would have thought the change in demographics and the horrible GOP candidate would have made it happen this time, but apparently not. > [@](#): > > 12: Identity politics. Democrats and liberal institutions in general, especially Colleges and Universities, have spent so much effort encouraging identity politics among various groups that white Americans finally became an identity group themselves and turned out at the polls to give Trump the margin he needed. “Live by identity politics, die by identity politics”. Ah, yes. White racism is a reaction to minority anti-racism, not the other way around. :smack: > [@](#): > > 13: Obamacare structural and actuarial problems were causing health insurance costs to skyrocket for various working class/middle class groups, especially in swing states, and they were desperate to find some way to control or deal with these. Trump was an anti-Obamacare vote for these voters. – Note this is my personal hot button. I voted for Hillary but if I had voted for Trump this would have been why. Yeah. The functioning of Obamacare varies wildly from State to State, but some people are certainly getting screwed. I think this was big. > [@](#): > > 14: Inaccurate polling led to Democratic and media echo chamber where liberal never realized what was actually happening on the ground until election night. Didn’t we cover this above? Besides, the polls weren’t inaccurate, the result was within a reasonable margin of error. And although Clinton’s campaign may have allocated their resources poorly, I don’t know that they were “complacent”. It’s not like she took the last couple weeks of the campaign off or anything. > [@](#): > > 15: Embarrassed white voters lied like rugs when polled about whether they would vote for Trump. Doesn’t seem to be any evidence for this one. And I would add: 1. Faced with the choice between a highly qualified Democrat and a grossly unqualified Republican, almost all Republicans will, after due hemming and hawing, put party above country. Faced with the choice between an uninspiring Democrat and a grossly unqualified Republican, too many Democrats will stay home. Shame on them both. ---
**Author:** ![PoppaSan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/poppasan/32/189_2.png) [@PoppaSan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoppaSan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/77 "2016-11-23T04:21:57Z")
The OP regurgitates more of the same bubble enclosed pundits’ opinions. The pundits have yet to hit upon the points that dominated the conversation at the water cooler, happy hour, sidewalk chats, and bible study breaks that I participated in. Quick bio, I live in one of the three “safe” states that flipped to Trump. The place I worked at for thirty years shut its doors 3 days after the election. Almost 700 $50-70k / year jobs gone. 20 miles away, different employer, similar wages for 400+ will be gone next month. Week before the election brought news another 250+ jobs 30 miles away, company is moving to Mexico. All 3 the largest employers in towns of 3-10,000. Which brings me to [point one: the TPP](http://www.epi.org/blog/whats-wrong-with-the-tpp-this-deal-will-lead-to-more-job-loss-and-downward-pressures-on-the-wages-of-most-working-americans/) > [@](#): > > First, the growth of trade deficits with China (along with other low wage countries) has forced workers out of good-paying jobs with excellent benefits into lower-paying jobs in non-traded (e.g. service) industries. [Point two: immigration (not illegals)](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-vice-presidential-debate/fact-check-pence-on-clintons-plan-for-accepting-syrian-refugees/) > [@](#): > > Clinton has said she supports President Obama’s decision to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees in fiscal year 2016 — and that she would support an increase up to 65,000. which is all fine except when [partnered with stories like this:](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V) (I didn’t fact check this) > [@](#): > > In Cologne at New Year, hundreds of women said they were groped, assaulted and robbed, with police saying the suspects were mainly of North African and Arab appearance. Prosecutors said last week three Pakistani men seeking asylum in Germany were under investigation after dozens of women said they were sexually harassed at a music festival. In this corner of the world abortion on demand and [transgender issues are far from settled.](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/half-of-americans-dont-think-transgender-people-should-be-able-to-pick-their-bathroom/501947/) > [@](#): > > The Obama administration has called North Carolina’s bathroom bill “state-sponsored discrimination,” but barely half of the country agrees. No matter what the federal government may declare, transgender rights are not a foregone conclusion in America. I do not personally know any one **in my daily life** that said they voted for Clinton. I know several that most likely did but I rarely discuss politics with them. Yes it is my own bubble, which is part of why I am here. To seek other viewpoints and contribute when I can. ---
**Author:** ![Begotten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@Begotten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Begotten)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/78 "2016-11-23T07:40:32Z")
Hillary lost because her closet is bursting with skeletons and her campaign was completely deaf and unaware of what people outside of liberal urban centers are dealing with, or at least failed to address their concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Begotten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@Begotten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Begotten)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/79 "2016-11-23T07:44:57Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Two things that weren’t mentioned but played some part; Wikileaks/Russia propaganda and [voter suppression](http://theweek.com/articles/659599/first-election-without-full-voting-rights-act--already-disaster). > [@Chimera](#): > > My feelings at least; > > Hillary campaigned in both 2008 and 2016 on “Inevitability”. It _was_ arrogant and lazy, both times. She lost to an better organized man the first time, and failed to inspire the masses to get out and vote for her this time. Hell, this time it drove voter turnout to record lows, allowing the election of a very dangerous man. > > To the last, Hillary spent the campaign not on the stump, not giving inspiring speeches or at least making the news, but rather giving speeches to rooms full of donors. > > And yeah, I am still waiting for a shoe to drop on Russian influence and hacking. Won’t change anything, hell, probably wouldn’t even result in the Republicans changing any laws, because it worked in their favor. Only thing you can do is be better prepared for it next time. > > Unless someone hacks some fantasy land Russian server which is amazingly holding all the exact information about how votes were actually changed in Trump’s favor. Even then all we’d have is a Constitutional Crisis. Are you people serious with this? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562/80 "2016-11-23T08:39:36Z")
> [@Begotten](#): > > Hillary lost because her closet is bursting with skeletons and her campaign was completely deaf and unaware of what people outside of liberal urban centers are dealing with, or at least failed to address their concerns. Don’t believe a word of it. It is really quite hilarious to say that Clinton lost because her closet is bursting with skeletons when the alternative was Trump. Trump doesn’t even have a closet. He displays his skeletons like trophies to show what an A-Grade Baller he is. There is no way any Trump supporter can suggest they had an objective view that Clinton’s “skeletons” were a concern. Clinton lost because people didn’t like her. Their claims not to like her due to skeletons in closets were just after the fact justification for their dislike. Then the suggestion that Clinton was deaf and unaware of what people outside liberal urban centers are dealing with is just false; her view espoused during her campaign were full of sympathy for such people. The difference is just that she didn’t create convenient scapegoats or make extravagant promises to make everything great. Realtors know the best way to get appointed is to tell the seller they can get an unrealistic price for their property. It’s only after they have signed the seller up that they start to tell the seller they need to drop the price significantly in order to sell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-a-list-of-reasons-from-various-pundits-about-why-the-democrats-got-whipped-agree-disagree/772562.md?page=5)