# Here’s why I am voting for Donald Trump. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 25, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057 "2016-02-25T02:18:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/61 "2016-02-25T17:08:15Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > I’m going to stick around this place, it seems it is mostly populated with left wing progressives and come November I want to be here when Trump gets elected. Seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/62 "2016-02-25T17:34:07Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > No, my opinion is not wrong. Reminds me of the comment, “My shit don’t stink.” Well, the comment might actually be scientifically accurate that your shit releases no offensive odors to a particular subset of noses. Yet at the same time, it’s still shit. As is your opinion. And in the grand scheme of things, your opinion is wrong as well. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/63 "2016-02-25T17:37:26Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > People who don’t vote should shout their mouths regarding politics. I’m going to stick around this place, it seems it is mostly populated with left wing progressives and come November I want to be here when Trump gets elected. > > yes, I know he is full of shit (like all of them) and I will vote for him because he is the least full of shit and because I identify with some of the issues he wants to address. > > To suggest someone not vote is the most irresponsible thing you can do politically. People have died for the right to vote. The right to vote is important. So is voting responsibly. And by responsibly I don’t mean voting the way I would, but voting after actually looking at the issues. Do you think a guy who goes into the voting booth and votes by tossing a coin is a plus for democracy? It is not like Trump has identified any new issues. He didn’t invent immigration, he didn’t invent foreign trade, he didn’t invent us having to respond to terrorism. He doesn’t have any realistic plans to solve any of these problems. Him not even knowing that China was not involved in the Pacific Trade agreement is not a good sign that he has a clue. There is a bit on a Monty Python record about how to cure cancer. You become a doctor, work really, really hard, and before you know it, you have a cure. That is exactly what Trump is saying - but Eric Idle was being deliberately absurd, while you are buying Trump’s crap. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/64 "2016-02-25T17:42:41Z")
The OP seems reasonably intelligent, but just in case there is a gap in his data base, I offer the [definition of ‘demagogue’](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demagogue), which may be enlightening. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/65 "2016-02-25T18:35:14Z")
> [@Chihuahua](#): > > Yes, this is exactly the problem. Trump supporters don’t care how, or even if, something can be done. Even when he tells blatant lies, or proposes things that the experts agree are terrible ideas, you don’t care. Yup, this is the root of the problem. Trump supporters, by and large, are unwilling to dig deep and question the promises they are hearing. It’s enough that the promises are simply made, as if this requires some act of courage and brilliance. In middle school, candidates for student council president could get away with promising sprite in the water fountains. Trump’s platitudes are from the same playbook. Makes you want to cry when you see people falling for it in a way that suggests their critical thinking capacity is no bigger than the average 11-year old’s. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaPickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8dc957/32.png) [@BubbaPickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaPickles)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/66 "2016-02-25T18:43:07Z")
Just for fun, try this query in Google. Trump+“trust me” Approximately 692,000 results. Now I’m sure that not all of that can probably be attributed directly to Donny J, but anyone, especially a would-be politician, who says ‘trust me’ as much as this guy does cannot be taken seriously. Next debate, try to keep track of how many times each candidate uses this expression. You’ll also notice that each time Donny J uses this expression, he raises one or both of his index fingers. Guess what this is? ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/67 "2016-02-25T18:47:00Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > No. There have been decades of allegations, lawsuits, and FEDERAL investigations in which Hillary was a focus, for me to believe she is a criminal, is for me to believe if I so choose and I choose to believe that she is a shady criminal. plus, I have absolutely no respect for her as a woman for enabling her husbands extra marital escapades. I mean, I like Bubba, hell, I’d shoot pool with him and play his wingman, but these people are some shady folks. I think this deserves highlight. First, we get the fantastic circular reasoning (for lack of a better word) that he thinks Hillary is a criminal because he thinks she’s a criminal. I dunno. I’d think that after decades of allegations and investigations, _something_ ought to stick, right? Maybe everyone who is alleging things and investigating her is making shit up or incompetent? And then there’s the casual sexism. _Hillary_ is somehow less of a valid candidate because _her husband_ committed a moral transgression. But him, he’s cool. Alright in my book. Woman takes the blame for a man’s actions, man gets off without a blemish. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/68 "2016-02-25T18:54:39Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > And then there’s the casual sexism. _Hillary_ is somehow less of a valid candidate because _her husband_ committed a moral transgression. But him, he’s cool. Alright in my book. Woman takes the blame for a man’s actions, man gets off without a blemish. Please note too that [Trump himself has admitted to committing infidelity](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/trump-admits-that-bringing-up-his-past-infidelity-would-be-fair-game-then-ignores-it/), and yet that doesn’t seem to bother the OP all too much. For some reason, it is much more rational to criticize Hillary for Bill’s embarrassing philandering, then to question whether Trump has the moral scruples needed to lead this country. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/69 "2016-02-25T19:26:55Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > It isn’t fear. When I have a rat in my basement, I am not afraid of it. It is a nuisance, and can cause lots of problems to my infrastructure, my wiring, my heating/cooling system, and it poses health risks. So, I devise a way to get rid of it. Buy the rat trap, bait it, set it, and wait, and BOOM. Next day, dead rat, no more nuisance. Better find the nest also, or they just keep coming back. > > It’s like that. When you have a rat in the basement, do you give the Federal government more power over your life? You likely want to, given how eager you are to suck up to that coward Donald Trump. Donald Trump can’t even cover his debts and he wants to run the country. He goes to his creditors, hat in hand, and _begs for forgiveness_ for the debts he’s run up. He _begs forgiveness_ for his debts. An _adult_ works hard and pays off his obligations. An _adult_ knows that paying off your debts is part of building character and becoming an actual human being. A _miserable child_ begs forgiveness. That’s what Trump is: A miserable child playing at business, playing at politics, and, ultimately, playing at being a human. It’s time to end his playtime. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/70 "2016-02-25T19:37:11Z")
> [@BubbaPickles](#): > > Just for fun, try this query in Google. > > Trump+“trust me” > > Approximately 692,000 results. > > Now I’m sure that not all of that can probably be attributed directly to Donny J, but anyone, especially a would-be politician, who says ‘trust me’ as much as this guy does cannot be taken seriously. > > Next debate, try to keep track of how many times each candidate uses this expression. You’ll also notice that each time Donny J uses this expression, he raises one or both of his index fingers. Guess what this is? I get 774,000 hits for Trump “trust me”. I also get 821,000 hits for Trump “believe me”. Some of those search results are real wonders … “You’ll Like Me Very Much, Believe Me” Donald Trump On Torture: “Believe me, it works.” The wall works, believe me. The world is going to respect us again. Believe me. Well, I’m sold. And you know, what, Donald? On that last one? Thanks to you, I think they already do! It’s all those _ **other** _ guys they’re laughing at. Believe me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/71 "2016-02-25T19:39:52Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Vote Quimby! [Vote Canada](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGTznIy6i4w). ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/72 "2016-02-25T19:41:18Z")
I think there’s enough legitimate discussion in this thread to warrant a second shot at Elections, so I’ll relocate it there. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/73 "2016-02-25T20:21:25Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > Sometimes that works though; its human nature to vote our wildest dream even when we know the result will be far different once it gets through Congress and the courts. I don’t think there is a hope in Hell of it actually happening but – a Trump vs. Sanders Presidential race could really be interesting. And it just may wake up both parties to some extent to look beyond the status quo. Maybe. A Trump-Sanders race would probably depress me. I’m hoping that some good will eventually come from Trump’s run, though: maybe he can break up the hold that the extreme conservatives have on the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/74 "2016-02-25T20:32:50Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > I think there’s enough legitimate discussion in this thread to warrant a second shot at Elections, so I’ll relocate it there. I see the potential for a children’s book called “The Annoying Thread That Nobody Wanted”. After wandering for years, the Annoying Thread returns to the Kingdom of the Pit, and it realizes that no matter how far you wander, eventually you always come home. The End. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/75 "2016-02-25T20:35:58Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > I think there’s enough legitimate discussion in this thread to warrant a second shot at Elections, so I’ll relocate it there. Wow. This thread changes positions almost as much as Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/76 "2016-02-25T20:38:16Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > I think this deserves highlight. First, we get the fantastic circular reasoning (for lack of a better word) that he thinks Hillary is a criminal because he thinks she’s a criminal. > > I dunno. I’d think that after decades of allegations and investigations, _something_ ought to stick, right? Maybe everyone who is alleging things and investigating her is making shit up or incompetent? > > And then there’s the casual sexism. _Hillary_ is somehow less of a valid candidate because _her husband_ committed a moral transgression. But him, he’s cool. Alright in my book. Woman takes the blame for a man’s actions, man gets off without a blemish. Don’t forget that the guy behind a lot of those things fessed up and admitted that it was a vast right-wing conspiracy, just like Hillary said. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/77 "2016-02-25T20:41:56Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Let’s take a look at [an actual example of something Trump considered a practical strategy for achieving a desired goal](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431420/donald-trumps-2016-debate-lies-he-went-bankrupt): Trump has demonstrated that he is an incompetent manager. People like **Einstein was a Hippie** plan to vote to destroy the country in order to make one rich person richer. On the other hand, [Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says](http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/08/news/economy/sanders-income-jobs/). Whether the jobless rate would fall to 3.8% with 26 million new jobs being created, and/or the median income would climb to $82,000 if all of his plans are made real, is debatable. But [Henry Ford economics](http://www.npr.org/2016/02/24/467988076/labor-secretary-thomas-perez-on-the-movement-to-raise-minimum-wages) have worked before. > [@](#): > > It’s Henry Ford economics. When you put money in people’s pockets, they spend it. It creates shared prosperity. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/78 "2016-02-25T20:49:56Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > I am also voting for Trump because he has stated that he would take a more aggressive and proactive stance against radical Islamic terrorism. You don’t understand this , maybe you will realize this enough in time. Terrorism, well 9-11, has produces since 9-11 Dept of Homeland security, NSA, no fly list, and other very bad things including the upcoming battle between apple and the FBI. The war is basically can humans live in freedom or do we need to be controlled as per your OP. War on terrorism is winning, we are now more afraid of our government then we were before. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/79 "2016-02-25T21:01:26Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > No other candidate has stated that they would make it a priority to renegotiate our foreign trade deals and restructure our tax laws to entice American businesses (and foreign companies) to move, or return their headquarters and manufacturing facilities to the United States. This will bring a level of economic prosperity not seen since the 80’s. I believe he is capable of renegotiating those deals. This is the main reason he has my vote. While not making it as big of a deal Sanders is decidedly trade protectionist as well. It’s an area where they both disagree with one of the few consensus issues among economists. Not every so called free trade agreement is actually about freer trade. Trump can’t really use that wiggle room though. He makes some clear statements that show he’s on the protectionist side of the spectrum not the renegotiating to get freer trade agreements. His immigration plan includes being willing to use punitive trade measures to get Mexico to pay for the border wall. He’s mentioned the possibility of punitive tariffs in response to Ford establishing a Mexican plant. Given that predisposition to protectionism his claims about the results fly in the face of reality. Making an unrealistic position a priority is not a good thing. > [@](#): > > I am also voting for Trump because he has stated that he would take a more aggressive and proactive stance against radical Islamic terrorism. That stance includes being at least open to registering American citizens in a database based strictly on their religious preference. To even consider that level of imposition on personal liberties is completely unacceptable to me. In addition the domestic extremist threat overall in the US is overall low. It also skews white and Christian (although there’s some move away from Christianity and towards Neo-Norse paganism/ Odinism among violent white supremacist groups). IMO Trump takes an overly aggressive stance where he’s willing to sacrifice personal liberties for negligible domestic safety gains. There’s some real international issues with claimed Islamist motivations like ISIS. ISIS are a bunch of head chopping, slave trading, nation destabilizing, refugee producing fucks regardless of whether they claim to be Muslims or not. The encourage attacks against us. We have national interests related to stable and functioning nations let alone defense of our citizens. There’s plenty of reason to help countries in the region smash ISIS into tiny little bits regardless of ISIS’ internal motivations. That’s really the problem on the international stage. There are extremist and destabilizing threats to our national interests. Some claim islamist motivations. Some don’t. IMO we should take each at the level of their threat to our national interests and make a reasoned opinion about how and where to deal with all them. Heaping emotional furor behind dealing with only one subset doesn’t make for good decision making. Trump’s focus is a weaknesses in best dealing with all the diverse threats in the world IMO. > [@](#): > > Why the heck should I vote for anyone else? Tell me. I’m a centrist Republican and like Kasich and Clinton from their respective parties (before he dropped Webb had the inside route as my top overall choice.) They are also the two most experienced. I’d have to make an argument against your position that relevant job experience is a disqualifier to even bother with the rest of the argument. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057/80 "2016-02-25T21:05:28Z")
> [@Einstein\_was\_a\_Hippie](#): > > Now that I know the limits here in Rome…I will proceed as the Romans. Only one nail left . . . would you mind crossing your feet, please? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/here-s-why-i-am-voting-for-donald-trump/747057.md?page=5)