# Here's a shiny new thread for pitting ZPG Zealot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 14, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868 "2011-05-14T03:21:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/1 "2011-05-14T03:21:42Z")
Can a mod please close the **Annie-Xmas** one? She and I resolved the issue at hand, and it’s not fair to her to keep it alive because **ZPG** is a nutjob. Here are a few quotes from **ZPG** in that thread, to get the ball rolling. > [@](#): > > I do not remotely think it is best to leave a child with biological parents who abuse him or her. There are many alternatives. Other family members for example. You know family is a lot more than just a mother and father. I was raised largely by my aunt and her husband because well quite frankly I despised my parents, but it never occurred to me that my parents (the woman in whose utersus I was incubated and the man who provided the sperm) did not exist or that I should refer to my aunt as anything other than Auntie. I have known individuals raised in good orphanages and they are some of the finest people I know. Legal guardianship by a sane indivdiual or is another option. But there is something absolutely evil in my mind about looking at a defenseless child and saying, okay, I’ll make sure they have food and don’t get raped, but only if they agree to call me mom or dad. > [@](#): > > Exactly how to you think adoption works in the United States. Adopted children have to fight for their original birth certificates. Their birth certicates are reissued after adoption with their adopters not their parents’ names. If adopters really cared about children they would try to make it easier for their actual parents to care for them and let them be raised with their family not strangers. It’s not about what is best for the children. It’s about making life easier for narcissism deluded infertile people. > [@](#): > > There’s several threads. Several individuals here have a problem with women wanting to control what happens to her own body. The actual message which I stand by is that forcing a woman to shake a man’s hand is not that different from rape. It’s about forced body contact. Both cases should be considered repugnant. And anyone that can’t understand why I would view a man who has a fit over a woman not wanting to touch him is more likely to have the entitlement issues that lead to rapist mentality, really isn’t too bright. > [@](#): > > Yes, you are very ill-informed about the adoption industry. It’s not about finding homes for children. It’s about finding babies for infertiles. There is nothing more narcissisitically deluded than telling the world a child is your offspring when it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/2 "2011-05-14T03:50:34Z")
Man, two Pit threads from **Sarahfeena** in one week? You’re going berserk, girl! However, as a general policy, we don’t close pit threads at the request of the OP. If there’s not enough interest in the other thread, it will drop off the front page on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Ladymarmalade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@Ladymarmalade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ladymarmalade)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/3 "2011-05-14T04:03:00Z")
No matter what section it’s in or for whatever reason, I’m not crazy about threads that consist of inviting a group attack on any one poster. Isn’t it up to the mods to ban posters who would be that much of a problem. I wish this would be disallowed. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/4 "2011-05-14T04:05:17Z")
I trust future posters will take that into account before participating in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/5 "2011-05-14T05:33:28Z")
> [@Ladymarmalade](#): > > No matter what section it’s in or for whatever reason, I’m not crazy about threads that consist of inviting a group attack on any one poster. Isn’t it up to the mods to ban posters who would be that much of a problem. I wish this would be disallowed. Just my opinion. Hahahaha! That’s good. “OMG people are being mean in The Pit!” ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/6 "2011-05-14T05:36:05Z")
> [@Ladymarmalade](#): > > No matter what section it’s in or for whatever reason, I’m not crazy about threads that consist of inviting a group attack on any one poster. Isn’t it up to the mods to ban posters who would be that much of a problem. I wish this would be disallowed. Just my opinion. Go back to writing sex threads. You’re too fucking sanctimonious everywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/7 "2011-05-14T06:25:34Z")
> [@Ladymarmalade](#): > > No matter what section it’s in or for whatever reason, I’m not crazy about threads that consist of inviting a group attack on any one poster. Isn’t it up to the mods to ban posters who would be that much of a problem. I wish this would be disallowed. Just my opinion. I’d pit you and invite everyone to chime in, but I’ve never seen you before. Afterthought: I just looked over your posting history. You’re like a “Buy V!agra!” e-mail, brought to life. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/8 "2011-05-14T06:32:33Z")
Too fucking funny. \*\* Sarafeena\*\* starts TWO threads pitting individuals, and before ya know it, there’s _another_ one getting shafted. 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/9 "2011-05-14T06:34:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Too fucking funny. > \*\* > Sarafeena\*\* starts TWO threads pitting individuals, and before ya know it, there’s _another_ one getting shafted. > > 😃 😃 😃 I’m wondering how long this can go on. She opens a new thread to pit **Ladymarmalade** , and everyone ends up piling on somebody new. She opens a pit thread for that person, and a fourth person ends up getting dogpiled. I wonder if it would just go on infinitely, or if it’ll eventually loop back around and turn into a pitting of **Annie Xmas** again. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/10 "2011-05-14T06:36:42Z")
God damn you’re a prick, Miller. How the fuck do you even get through the day without tripping over your own retarded feet? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/11 "2011-05-14T07:24:04Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > God damn you’re a prick, Miller. How the fuck do you even get through the day without tripping over your own retarded feet? > > 😉 Mostly by spending the entire day sitting down. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/12 "2011-05-14T07:25:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Mostly by spending the entire day sitting down. HURR CUZ DURPERS R FAT AMIRITE hehe ---
**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/13 "2011-05-14T07:50:21Z")
On Sunday, I got gang hug raped. One of my biker friends went down and is in the hospital, so I went to visit him. All of our friends stood up and grabbed me and hugged me, the women included. Does this mean that I’m now bisexual? There were children there as well. I can’t physically bear children, so I’m guessing that the reason I got gang hug raped was so I wouldn’t steal the kids, take them into the bathroom, cut their hair and change their clothes. Thank Gawd for the Dope, I would have never known how it worked before reading ZPG’s stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/14 "2011-05-14T07:58:07Z")
Last night, a woman I’d met an hour or so before offered to shake my hand. ZPG Zealot, did she attempt to rape me? Or am I still the guilty party cos I accepted the handshake? ---
**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/15 "2011-05-14T08:08:50Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Last night, a woman I’d met an hour or so before offered to shake my hand. > > ZPG Zealot, did she attempt to rape me? Or am I still the guilty party cos I accepted the handshake? You slut! Next thing you are going to post about is after the mutual rape is that you started planning to steal kids and sell them to people who would make the kids call them their parents. Stalks off in a huff, refusing to even consider letting you read my palm. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/16 "2011-05-14T08:12:40Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Last night, a woman I’d met an hour or so before offered to shake my hand. > > ZPG Zealot, did she attempt to rape me? Or am I still the guilty party cos I accepted the handshake? You got a purty hand… ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/17 "2011-05-14T08:36:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Last night, a woman I’d met an hour or so before offered to shake my hand. > > ZPG Zealot, did she attempt to rape me? Or am I still the guilty party cos I accepted the handshake? I think she was turned on by the hairy palms. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/18 "2011-05-14T08:39:51Z")
Not that I’m not saying that ZPG is a nutbar. Cos she totally is. But I think that the whole handshake = rape thing is way overblown - a combination of her not phrasing it well and people deliberately interpreting it to make her seem even nuttier. Look at it this way: 1. For cultural reasons, she will not generally shake hands with men. 2. When men offer to shake hands with her, she declines. 3. She has had men who will not take “I don’t shake hands, thank you.” for an answer, and even attempted to force her to do so. This is an invasion of boundaries by any definition. 4. It’s documented (see A Gift of Fear) that one of the things that rapists, etc do is to attempt a milder invasion of boundaries first, and see how the potential victim reacts. therefore 1. She sees men who \*\*\*don’t take no for an answer \*\*\*in the matter of shaking hands to be **along the same continuum as, and at higher potentiality to be** the same men who commit sexual assault. Therefore, she is wary of them. She never said that all men who shake hands with women are committing sexual assault; she just said that if someone doesn’t respect your boundaries in one matter, it makes them more likely to disrespect your boundaries in other matters. To me, this seems perfectly logical. However, because she _is_ a total nutbar about other things (adoption, other aspects of male-female relationships), and because this statement was made in the course of her defending one of the other things that she’s insane about, it got blown out of proportion. Saying “ZPG thinks that all handshakes are rape” is along the lines of the “Al Gore claimed he invented the internet” or “That lady got millions and millions of dollars from McDonalds for spilling coffee on herself” - a distortion at best, a lie at worst. There’s plenty of legitimate things to mock her for, but at the very least make sure you’re mocking what she actually thinks, not your straw man version of it. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/19 "2011-05-14T08:42:50Z")
Yeah, except she’s said before she sees EVEN OFFERING to shake her hand as an assault on her person, and that men should NEVER OFFER to shake a woman’s hand, because women shouldn’t have to shake their hands, and even the act of offering is a prelude to assault. Even if the man in question has never met her before and is completely unaware of her complete and utter fucknuttery. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2011, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868/20 "2011-05-14T11:47:47Z")
And she doesn’t see this as something peculiar to her or her vaguely defined “culture”. She thinks this applies equally to all women everywhere, so two normal people engaging in something so commonplace and boring that they probably forget about it two seconds later are really engaging in rape. That’s all kinds of nutso. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-a-shiny-new-thread-for-pitting-zpg-zealot/581868.md?page=2)