# Here's another Reason Not To Live In Texas. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084 "2005-12-11T01:38:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/1 "2005-12-11T01:38:05Z")
Click the link, & gape in horror. [http://www.dallasobserver.com/Issues/2005-12-08/news/schutze.html](http://www.dallasobserver.com/Issues/2005-12-08/news/schutze.html) > [@](#): > > “We had just got off the DART train in the West End,” he told me. "We were in the legal crosswalk, and we were walking toward the Greyhound station. After we got across, there was two officers there, and we walked right past them. > > "I heard one say, ‘Y’all need to be on the other side of the street.’ That was kind of puzzling to me. It didn’t sound like a command. It was a very calm voice. I said in a calm voice, "Well, we’re supposed to be over here. We’re going toward the Greyhound station.’ > > "I heard him say, ‘You longhairs are not going to fuck with me.’ He attempted to grab my hand behind my back. Natural reaction, I turned around and grabbed my hand. He was pulling my hair. The other officer slammed me up against the rail. > > “I did not hit them. I did not run. I didn’t say anything cuss-word. Any witness coming forward will not say I did.” Yes, Dallas has a law enforcement agency that is accountable to **nobody** , and can beat the piss out of you **and** your child, _in front of **witnesses** _ & get away with it. Texans are not civilized people. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/2 "2005-12-11T01:39:20Z")
Oh…I thought it was because Duke kicked the shit out of them today. Go Blue Devils!!! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/3 "2005-12-11T01:46:15Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Texans are not civilized people. You know, it’s hard work to frame a pitting about this incident in such a way that people can’t get behind it. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/4 "2005-12-11T01:56:02Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Texans are not civilized people. Fuck you with the wide brush you are using to smear many good people. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/5 "2005-12-11T01:59:50Z")
\ That was the best you could do? I agree that this is an intolerable situation but you call every single person living in Texas “uncivilized?” Wow. Marc ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/6 "2005-12-11T02:04:43Z")
I’ve been to San Antonio, Houston, Austin, Port Isabel, Beaumont, Lubbock and Canyon, Texas. I always found the people to be friendly and nice. There was an especially nice and friendly waitress at a restaurant in Amarillo. 😉 I don’t have a gripe with Texas. On the other hand, Knoxville is one of the worst places I’ve been, containing rude and uncouth people. Maybe that has to do with the fact that the only reason I go to Knoxville is to watch the Auburn Tigers kick U. of Tennessee’s ass in football, which they do more often than not. Yeah, that’s it! I suppose that when the Knoxville folk aren’t under the influence of Poor Loser Syndrome, they may be ok, but I don’t know that for certain. Gimme’ Texas over Knoxville any time! ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/7 "2005-12-11T02:05:44Z")
What the hell was he doing with long hair in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![lonesome\_loser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c68b51/32.png) [@lonesome\_loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lonesome_loser)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/8 "2005-12-11T02:06:54Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > What the hell was he doing with long hair in the first place? You have a problem with long hair? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/9 "2005-12-11T02:10:05Z")
> [@lonesome loser](#): > > You have a problem with long hair? > > Why? It’s well known that people with long hair rape children in the name of Satan and hate Ronald Reagan. Jesus told me so. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/10 "2005-12-11T02:11:40Z")
Worst Texas pitting ever. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/11 "2005-12-11T02:14:11Z")
I’ve been considering relocating to Austin. I need some warm weather. But after reading this, I’m convinced Texans are a bunch of devil-worshiping bigoted Nazi assholes. Oh, well. I might move anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/12 "2005-12-11T02:21:22Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > But after reading this, I’m convinced Texans are a bunch of devil-worshiping bigoted Nazi assholes. But it’s so affordable! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/13 "2005-12-11T02:27:30Z")
You can’t say all Texans are civilized, but the place DEFINITELY has its share of assholes and asshole behavior, and these DART “cops” are part & parcel of that. All this ‘broad brush’ stuff tends to overlook that. These are nasty fucking excuses for “cops” whose only power should be the ability to remain in their jail cell, but from what I’ve read of Texas justice, that’s not gonna happen. Really, this kind of shit apparently happens ALL the TIME in Texas. People get dragged to death for being black, (practically) whole towns (Tulia) are convicted of drug dealing on the word of shady characters, not to mention the Texas justice systems’ evil eagerness to kill children. Other states have their scandals, but Jeebus, Texas seems to pull this kind of crap with a frequency and severity that would gag a maggot. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/14 "2005-12-11T02:40:21Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Really, this kind of shit apparently happens **ALL the TIME** in Texas. People get dragged to death for being black, (practically)\*\* whole towns\*\*(Tulia) are convicted of drug dealing on the word of shady characters, not to mention the Texas justice systems’ evil eagerness to kill children. [It is similar to these guys.](http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/15 "2005-12-11T02:45:29Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > [It is similar to these guys.](http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) Hee. > [@](#): > > Facts: > > 1. Ninjas are mammals. > 2. Ninjas fight ALL the time. > 3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people. But this is a _really_ old internet joke. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/16 "2005-12-11T03:12:41Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > [It is similar to these guys.](http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) When you have a defense of any of the shit I’ve cited, or the OP has cited, feel free to share. Otherwise, nice link which has so much nothing to do with the OP. I will admit that I may have been pushing it a bit on the Tulia thing: the town has a little over 5000 residents and only 38 people were jailed on false claims. [But just how deep does the shit have to get in Texas before you can smell it, Shagnasty?](http://www.pbs.org/now/society/tuliatimeline.html) ---
**Author:** ![Rhubarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@Rhubarb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhubarb)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/17 "2005-12-11T03:12:42Z")
Aside from Jim Schutze’s article in The Dallas Observer, has there been any other media play on this story? I would really like to see this blow up in DART’s face. The agency has had some pretty damning stories printed about it since it’s inception. Of course, most of these have been in The Observer, which as Dallas’ alternative newspaper doesn’t always get the respect it deserves. Curiously enough, the current (although probably not next) mayor of Dallas, Laura Miller, is a former Dallas Observer columnist. Jim Schutze now covers the beat she left behind. FWIW, I have spent some time inside the DART Transit Police headquarters. I installed the energy management system there and I still have to go back there on occasion to try to reprogram around the deficiencies in the system. I have met a number of the people who work at DART, and quite a few of them are decent people. That being said, I haven’t ever interacted with any of the regular beat cops, but the impression I get is that they work for DART because they couldn’t get a job at a “real” police force. Again, this is only my impression and has absolutely no facts to back it up. But if any of the other DFW area dopers has some inside info on DART police, share it with us. I’d really like to see these scum punished for this kind of crap. I like Texas in spite of assholes like these, but I’d like it better if this wasn’t tolerated here (or anywhere else). ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/18 "2005-12-11T04:40:44Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > You can’t say all Texans are civilized, but the place DEFINITELY has its share of assholes and asshole behavior, and these DART “cops” are part & parcel of that. All this ‘broad brush’ stuff tends to overlook that. Fascinating. Have you found a state that doesn’t have its share of assholes and asshole behavior? > [@Evil Captor](#): > > When you have a defense of any of the shit I’ve cited, or the OP has cited, feel free to share. What’s to defend? All those things are indeed wrong/immoral/just plain bad. Of course, the fact that everything you mentioned is far from business as usual for the state seems to not matter to you. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/19 "2005-12-11T05:01:41Z")
**Chapter 14** _The Passing of the Sooners_ **A** nd there was in that time a great turmoil among the peoples of that land. 1. From the north there came shouts of righteous anger, saying, Cast the profaners from our public schools; drive their false priests from the highways and beat them with staves of metal. 2. For we shall have no gods before the **LORD** ; ; and we shall hear no voice save that of the **LORD** ; and we shall heed no design save that of the\*\* LORD\*\*; and we shall have no intelligence save that of the **LORD**. 3. And to the south there came also voices, crying, Let not one sinner escape, for though a man may be condemned by false witness, he shall surely be put to death regardless; he has surely earned death in some wise, for are not all men sinners in the eyes of the **LORD**? 4. Therefore, fear not to put to death the just and the unjust alike, and trust the **LORD** to sort thereof. 5. And let not the long-haired offend the soldiers of the **LORD** , nor let the children of the long-haired offend the soldiers of the **LORD** ; for long hair is an abomination in the sight of the **LORD** , and their blood shall be upon them. 6. Then there was a great tumult of the earth, and the skies were darkened; and the children of Tul’-sa, and of Nor’-man, and of Law’-ton, lifted up their voices in lamentation. 7. And the earth was rolled up even as a scroll, and the stones of the mountains were rent asunder; and the land of Te’-xas marched northward, and the land of Kan’-sas marched southward. 9.And all the land of O’-kla-ho’-ma was caught in the midst of the earth’s wrath, and cast down into dust; and in its place was a new land, and the name of that land was **KAN’-XAS**. –Rectifications 14:1-9, from the Testament of Short-Haired Jesus ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084/20 "2005-12-11T05:14:08Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > You can’t say all Texans are civilized, but the place DEFINITELY has its share of assholes and asshole behavior, and these DART “cops” are part & parcel of that. All this ‘broad brush’ stuff tends to overlook that. These are nasty fucking excuses for “cops” whose only power should be the ability to remain in their jail cell, but from what I’ve read of Texas justice, that’s not gonna happen. > > Really, this kind of shit apparently happens ALL the TIME in Texas. People get dragged to death for being black, (practically) whole towns (Tulia) are convicted of drug dealing on the word of shady characters, not to mention the Texas justice systems’ evil eagerness to kill children. Other states have their scandals, but Jeebus, Texas seems to pull this kind of crap with a frequency and severity that would gag a maggot. You = stupid. People don’t get dragged to death for being black with **any** regularity. That’s a lynching, and lynchings are extremely rare in the United States. Yes, some idiots did kill a black man by dragging him to death, but that wasn’t indicative of some sort of widespread practice. Also, we’ve had various threads here on the dope pitting the New York City Transit police, I’m guessing that means New York is full of idiot assholes too? Does this stuff happen “all the time” in Texas? I don’t know, and you don’t either you stupid fuck. You just let whatever fecal matter was flowing up your throat spew out your mouth there, and you had no fucking clue what you were talking about and nothing to support that assertion. I do think we can generalize that transit police have a habit of getting into embarassing situations like this. But how we can generalize about the entire state of Texas is beyond me. Your post is indicative of deep-seated stupidity and lack of reason, you should think twice before posting something like this because it’s probably a crime against humanity to spread idiocy in this manner. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-another-reason-not-to-live-in-texas/335084.md?page=2)