# Here's my answer to you MeanOldLady. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 26, 2002, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972 "2002-12-26T15:21:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/61 "2002-12-27T13:18:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MeanOldLady \* > \*\*Hmm, telling **Biggirl** to shut up pisses her off, eh? Hey **Big** … SHADDAP!!! You’re not God. People have the right to tell you to shut your trap. Shut the fuck up!!! \*\* …and maybe you’re talking so much you’re not listening to what others here have told you. Regardless of the validity of your argument, you come across sounding like a real bitch, and no one really wants to listen to you anymore on any topic so long as you continue in that vein. And you obviously care if people listen to you or not, otherwise you wouldn’t be sitting on an Internet message board posting your righteous indignation w.r.t. rap for all to see. If you have a persuasive argument for your cause, then learn to make it without all of the name-calling, invective, and unrepressed rage that you showed in the original thread. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/62 "2002-12-27T13:24:38Z")
When have I called names? I’d be DAMN impressed if you could point that out to me (mainly b/c it never happened). I don’t think you’ve been reading the posts. I’ve been called an idiot, a bitch, a _stupid_ bitch and so forth… and I’ve called names when? I don’t do that. I make my point and move on. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/63 "2002-12-27T13:38:35Z")
People seem to be overlooking the distinction between “X type of music stinks” and “people who like X type of music are idiots”. These are not the same. The first is just an opinion, like any other - I don’t see any insult in it. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/64 "2002-12-27T13:43:13Z")
> [@](#): > > People have the right to tell you to shut your trap. Not in Cafe Society. All questions aside of who is the greater rap artist, you were fucking rude, in the wrong forum, and Biggirl quite rightfully took you to task for it. Suck it up, and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/65 "2002-12-27T14:05:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MeanOldLady \* > \*\*When have I called names? I’d be DAMN impressed if you could point that out to me (mainly b/c it never happened). I don’t think you’ve been reading the posts. I’ve been called an idiot, a bitch, a _stupid_ bitch and so forth… and I’ve called names when? I don’t do that. I make my point and move on. \*\* You are correct, and you did not _overtly_ call anyone names in the original thread. But at the same time, you did not fool _anyone_ with your backpedaling on the “colored” comment, which seemed clearly to be a form of name-calling - such as saying “Poster X isn’t colored _enough_, as evidenced by their taste in music”. And, if that was what you meant, that’s racism, clear and simple. You seem to say that’s not what you meant, but it’s unclear, really. And neither I, nor anyone here cares if you allege you are “colored” or may someday change “color” (ala Michael Jackson, Pamela Lee, or Violet from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_). It not only is irrelevant to all things discussed in these two threads, but the race, sex, religion, sexuality, etc. of another Member here really isn’t something that you have the right here to discuss in the terms of: > [@](#): > > Lux, wherever did you get the idea that Biggirl is colored? **I sincerely doubt she is.** (emphasis added) that you did in the other thread. You crossed the line, whether intentionally or not. You also stated in the other thread that: > [@](#): > > Looks like on the official “We hate the MeanOldBroad” board, everyone seems to think I’m some sort of racist asshole. That contention is only half correct. I’m no racist, I also happen to be “colored.” Are you saying because you are “colored” you therefore cannot be a racist? I’d love to see you debate that one. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/66 "2002-12-27T14:34:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > But at the same time, you did not fool _anyone_ with your backpedaling on the “colored” comment, which seemed clearly to be a form of name-calling - such as saying “Poster X isn’t colored _enough_, as evidenced by their taste in music”. This was not clear to me at all - the opposite, in fact. So there’s at least one person she “fooled”. > [@](#): > > Are you saying because you are “colored” you therefore cannot be a racist? I’d love to see you debate that one. Of course any type of person can be a racist. But if one is deciding whether an ambiguous term was meant as a racist epithet, the fact that the one who used it is herself a member of that group should carry some weight, no? ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/67 "2002-12-27T14:56:20Z")
First of all, **Lux** said > [@](#): > > **Biggirl** , you have betrayed People of Color Everywhere with your like of popular music. which, in my white brain, is different from “ **Biggirl** , you have betrayed Colored People Everywhere with your like of popular music.” Just an example of MOL’s fascinating talent for putting words in people’s mouths. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by MeanOldLady_ > **When have I called names?** > [@](#): > > Err, stop basing your opinions on MTV Them’s fightin words. > [@](#): > > There’s some pretty good stuff out there that you’ve never even heard of b/c you’re too busy watching TRL. Below the belt! > [@](#): > > If you like tasteless and uncreative lyrics tossed over a cheesy beat, knock yourself out. Such language in Cafe Society! > [@](#): > > Well excuse me if I’m not a fan of the lyrics to “Hot in Herre.” Perhaps there too deep for me. I can only stand so much brilliance. I prefer the (non-shallow) musical sylings of God – err – I mean Talib Kweli. Songs about broads, cars and “ice” don’t interest me. Clearly, I have no taste in music. Not veiled enough for my tastes. > [@](#): > > Reading a profile… that’s some great detective work there. Gotta work on that sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/68 "2002-12-27T15:06:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MeanOldLady \* > \*\*Looks like you’re saying rap _can_ say some good stuff, but that’s not really what it’s all about. \*\* Rhythm and flow is not “good stuff”? Let us take another look at my quote– > [@](#): > > I dunno Meanie, but I think if you want lyrical content, rap music is not the place to be looking. Sure you can find deep, meaningful words in rap, but this genre is all about the rhythm. As I said **you can find deep meaningful lyrics in rap** , but the genre is about rhythm and flow. Beats is how niggaz show love. And that’s from the guy whose johnson you metaphorically polish every second sentence. We could have had this discussion in the original thread. In fact I tried to have this discussion in the original thread, but you had to sneer at and denigrate _everybody_ who dared disagree with you. Here is your first gigantic step into the realm of “don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about, but I’m gonna leap to a stupid conclusion.” > [@](#): > > There’s some pretty good stuff out there that you’ve never even heard of b/c you’re too busy watching TRL. Here, you start to echo what I was saying, if only you had taken the time to read what the hell I wrote and toned down the sneering bullshit: [quote] Anyway, you need to simmer down, Biggirl. I don’t care what your taste in music is. If you like tasteless and uncreative lyrics tossed over a cheesy beat, knock yourself out. I, on the other hand, am a fan of lyrics **and rhythm.** [bolding mine] [quote] And here is more assuming things you do not and could not know. At this point you have already arrived at your conclusions without the slightest bit of evidence. A pretty cocky know-it-all bitch, right there in the making. > [@](#): > > No, Nelly’s “Hot in Herre” does not constitute either of the aforementioned. At any rate, despite your preference in “music” (which, again, I couldn’t care less about), it’s silly to say that there is no hip hop music with great content. Just because you prefer not to listen to it, mainly b/c you’ve never even heard of it, does NOT mean it doesn’t exist. I’ve already listed a few hip hop artists who consistently produce great lyrics and sounds, but if Nelly floats your boat, keep floatin’. Here is your response to some one else who disagreed with you. This is really one of the stupidest statements you made. > [@](#): > > Oh please. This has nothing to do w/ anybody’s opinion. You can listen to Nelly til the cows come home for all I care. I’m saying just b/c someone would rather listen to Nelly yack about his Escalade (or whatever kind of car he has), doesn’t mean that NO hip hop music has substance. And it _sure as hell_ doesn’t mean Nelly is any good just b/c teens from the burbs buy his CDs in an effort to feel “down.” So it’s a _fact_ that your tastes are the correct ones? That only teens from the burbs buy Nelly CDs? That a person who listen to Nelly has never heard another rap artist ever? It’s more like _you’re_ the one with this overwhelming need to feel “down” And this is where you went from being an idiot to an asshole. > [@](#): > > Wow, looks like I have a fan. All righty, Biggirl, listen up (and then shut up). Am I imagining things or did you say if I’m looking for lyrical content, hip hop is the wrong genre? It’s all about the rhythm and not the lyrics? That was you, yes? Thought so. Moving along, yes, I insist that rapping about “bodacious” ass and fancy cars is cheesy. If you like it, fine. I don’t care about what you’re listening to. Knock yourself out w/ Nelly. I’m not into funky beats as much as I am great lyrics. Btw, Common’s new CD is awesome. I don’t know why I continue to bother when it’s obvious you are enthralled with the sound of the voices talking in your head and are not interested in a real discussion. This is because you are an idiot and a bitch, in my opinion. Oh wait, this isn’t about opinion is it? ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/69 "2002-12-27T15:10:10Z")
Ladies, ladies… _seriously_ now. All this bickering over some RAP music? RAP? Now, come on, sit down, have some eggnogg, and we’ll put on this here _Tom Jones - Greatest Hits_ CD I got for Christmas. > [@](#): > > _Said by **Biggirl** :_ > **And if you had stuck with this argument and fleshed it out, we could have gotten somewhere. And talk about having to repeat yourself over and over. I never fucking said you couldn’t find good lyrics in rap.** Yeah, but you did start out on the “it’s all about the beats, the lyrics are inferior to the beats” angle. It all snowballed from there. I’m not gonna say **MeanOldLady** responded politely, but your statement was certainly something she was allowed to take issue with. So all in all, she started off on the wrong foot here. Opinions are just that, they are not diction. Well, except mine when I say most rap music is crap, but I digress. 😉 Other than that, some people take a little longer than others getting used to the intricacies of these boards. Doesn’t mean they won’t learn in time. Sincerely, Pretty Hip Non-coloured Boy. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/70 "2002-12-27T15:14:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > **Beats is how niggaz show love.** Geeze Louise, don’t tell my “coloured” girlfriend. She might get the wrong idea and beat me up. 😃 [sub]And as an aside: what _is_ the US stance on the word “coloured”? Merely antiquated, or downright racist? I seriously don’t know: where I am, people just generally refer to other races by colour. White people, black people, that sort of thing - no real double meanings there.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/71 "2002-12-27T15:23:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*[sub]And as an aside: what _is_ the US stance on the word “coloured”? Merely antiquated, or downright racist?[/sub] \*\* **Coldfire** , that questions opens a huge can of worms over here. There are as many ways to refer to black people as there are people. Politics enters into it, also. I use ‘black’ unless I am specifically addressing someone that I know prefers a different description. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/72 "2002-12-27T15:24:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > [sub]And as an aside: what _is_ the US stance on the word “coloured”? Merely antiquated, or downright racist? I seriously don’t know: where I am, people just generally refer to other races by colour. White people, black people, that sort of thing - no real double meanings there.[/sub] I’m no expert, but my wild guess would be to say that at least in most polite society in the US, one doesn’t use that word. It is considered at the very least terribly outdated and with some baggage of times of worse racial relations, and that’s if you’re lucky. Probably a word used to mean “non-white” without as much problems with it is “minority”, though you will sometimes find people who raise a fuss over that - not the least of which are the occasional “White Rights” folks who quote census data showing the increase in non-whites in the US and make horrified sounds over it. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/73 "2002-12-27T15:25:37Z")
Merely antiquated Coldfire. I don’t think it carries any negative weight with it at all, it’s just not really used anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/74 "2002-12-27T15:34:42Z")
Just FTR, it’s not a word I routinely would use. I just tossed it in a couple of times since it came up in the thread. Then again, it was used between Biggirl and MeanOldLady (both of whom are black) as well, so I was kinda wondering whether it was on the same level as “nigger”, in the way that some black people may use it among themselves (God, that sounds so separatist, doesn’t it?), but a white person can’t without sounding like a complete racist. Just trying to learn something new everyday. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/75 "2002-12-27T15:37:37Z")
> [@](#): > > what is the US stance on the word “coloured”? Generally, it is an indication of someone who has simply never paid attention to the back-and-forth on language. It was the respectable older term many years ago and the people who use it tend to either be the people who grew up using it when it was not pejorative or grew up in some racially monochrome area where race was simply something that happened “out there” in the rest of the world. It is more a sign that the speaker is clueless than an insult. (Any word can be _made_ insulting, of course, but I have been present a few times when some _naïf_ used the word in racially mixed company and the only time I ever saw a reaction was when a black employee “corrected” his white boss in a joking manner that he was black, not colored. Of course, I don’t hang out with violent partisans of the language, and others _might_ react more strongly, but I have not encountered them. The same would probably be true of _Negro_, but that word actually dropped out of sight faster than colored did. Those who use it tend to also be of insular origins.) ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/76 "2002-12-27T15:44:52Z")
Thanks Tom, that helps a lot. Good to know I’m just an ignorant buffoon, and not a racist. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/77 "2002-12-27T16:08:45Z")
Since **Lux** said “People of Color”, what is the current take on that term’s appropriateness? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/78 "2002-12-27T16:14:34Z")
UncleBill I think that’s even less offensive than the already non-offensive ‘colored’. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard that on Discovery Channel, TLC, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/79 "2002-12-27T16:19:18Z")
RE: ‘Colored’. I sure wouldn’t use it. Not here in the south. Yes, to a great many people it would just bounce off. But for too many white racist folks it would indicate that I agreed with their stance on race and for too many black folks it would indicate that I agreed with the white racists stance on race. More trouble than it’s worth right there. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2002, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-my-answer-to-you-meanoldlady/144972/80 "2002-12-27T16:28:37Z")
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