# Here's the Pit thread for career criminal civilans killing cops. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458 "2015-10-22T14:24:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/21 "2015-10-22T18:22:23Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Bottom Line: Scumbags gotta scumbag. Career criminal takes out a cop on his own way out the door. Not a new thing. And police officers killing innocent civilians without justification _ **is** _ a new thing? You think? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/22 "2015-10-22T19:11:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > And police officers killing innocent civilians without justification _ **is** _ a new thing? You think? No, but social awareness of the injustices is increasing. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/23 "2015-10-22T19:25:49Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Yeah, right, we can start Pit threads when cops kill civilians, but where’s the outrage over [this incident](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nypd-officer-shot-head-killed-gun-battle-34620383)? What outrages me about this is that this killer is likely not only to avoid any prison time for this killing, but he’s probably even going to keep his government job, drawing a paycheck from MY tax dollars! It is OUTRAGEOUS to me to think that this killer is representing me! Fair warning–I’ve not clicked on the link. It’s possible that Annie is ridiculously inept at understanding the outrage over cops shooting people, thinks that the outrage is just over the murder, is completely unaware of the outrage over the impunity with which the killings are committed, and hasn’t ever considered the issue of making taxpayers pay the salary of a killer. But I choose to think the best of people, so I assume she’s linking to an article in which a killer is going to get away with his crime and is going to continue drawing a government salary. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/24 "2015-10-22T20:18:26Z")
> [@Abe\_Babe](#): > > “Lock, Preferred Stock, and Two Smoking Hooters” Fookin’ bravo, guv. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/25 "2015-10-22T21:12:58Z")
Cop lives matter ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/26 "2015-10-22T21:32:14Z")
Yes, but do other people’s lives matter to cops? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/27 "2015-10-22T22:08:10Z")
> [@Abe\_Babe](#): > > “Lock, Preferred Stock, and Two Smoking Hooters” If there’s two women, wouldn’t it be four hooters? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2015, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/28 "2015-10-22T23:09:46Z")
Only two of them are actively on fire. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/29 "2015-10-23T02:10:33Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yes, but do other people’s lives matter to cops? Perhaps Other Peoples and Cops can trade. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/30 "2015-10-23T04:31:29Z")
I’m not afraid to declare that I like kittens more than I like habitual criminals who shoot cops. [SUB]Okay I’m a\* little \*bit afraid…[/SUB] ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/31 "2015-10-23T05:14:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m not afraid to declare that I like kittens more than I like habitual criminals who shoot cops. > > [SUB]Okay I’m a\* little \*bit afraid…[/SUB] Do you like them enough to do your part in getting god to stop killing them? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/32 "2015-10-23T05:27:32Z")
A consistent pattern would suggest I have very little influence. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/33 "2015-10-23T15:24:00Z")
For the sake of taking the Devil’s Advocate position: I support the concept that career criminals should kill cops. I have no proof, it’s just a feeling. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/34 "2015-10-23T15:34:40Z")
Does our justice system routinely fail to hold to account “career criminal civilians killing cops” because of a systemic bias favoring them over the killers of other kinds of people? Is there a significant proportion of society—nearing the 50 percent mark—that seeks to excuse “career criminal civilians killing cops” with the argument that they acted legitimately in using lethal force against the cops? Does the phenomenon of “career criminal civilians killing cops” derive from a centuries-long systemic bias against cops that has systematically disadvantaged cops economically, socially, politically, and in other ways in our society? Being a “criminal” is not a state of being. It is a description based on identifying criminal behavior. When we come across someone who has unlawfully killed a cop, we treat him or her as a criminal because unlawfully killing a cop is a crime. In contrast, the criticisms of how cops are treated when they disproportionately unjustifiably persecute, abuse, or kill racial minorities are based on the fact that they _are_ engaging in criminal behavior—or what _should_ be considered as criminal behavior—but they are not being treated as criminals. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/35 "2015-10-23T18:17:48Z")
What is a “career criminal”, anyway? I think that implies a freedom of choice and personal responsibility that gives tighty-righties a hard-on, but I wonder if it actually means anything. I very much doubt that anyone looks over the brochures…Is A Life of Crime Right for You?..and decides to major in Extortion with a minor in Drug Distribution. The “career criminal” is a loser, uneducated, unintelligent, devoid of opportunity in the normal world. They know they’re going to prison, sooner or later, its all part of the game. They know that is their future, and their present consists of running scams, getting high, and making it last as long as they can. Their dearest and closest friends will tip them into the shit to get out of the shit themselves. That isn’t a life, that’s barely an existence. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/36 "2015-10-23T18:30:31Z")
Well said, **Acsenray**. ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/37 "2015-10-23T23:37:43Z")
> [@Kinthalis](#): > > Seriously? > > There’s nothing wrong about a thread pitting an sack of shit cop killer, career criminal. But the context of the OP is as an opposition to the thread on the extreme problem with cops killing, maiming, and assaulting innocent people or otherwise overstepping their bounds as police officers. > > Do you or Annie Xmas have any doubt as to whether this jack ass will face justice? > > Because the issue is that most of the time cops DO NOT FACE JUSTICE for their criminal actions, and often times the system does not bring about repercussions to issues stemming from stupidity, incompetence, poor training, poor procedures, etc, which lead to very bad outcomes. Often times the system is not at all transparent and there is no accountability, nor redress for the people affected. > > That is tyranny of a sort. Wait . . . I’m confused. I agree with everything you posted, but how does that relate to **Alessan** ’s reply? He was asking about a weird well-poisoning non-sequitur. Maybe this thread will make more sense in the morning . . . ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/38 "2015-10-23T23:41:47Z")
> [@Octarine](#): > > Maybe this thread will make more sense in the morning . . . I’m sorry, but that’s adorable. ---
**Author:** ![Kinthalis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kinthalis/32/16084_2.png) [@Kinthalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kinthalis)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/39 "2015-10-27T15:32:06Z")
> [@Octarine](#): > > Wait . . . I’m confused. I agree with everything you posted, but how does that relate to **Alessan** ’s reply? He was asking about a weird well-poisoning non-sequitur. > > Maybe this thread will make more sense in the morning . . . No it won’t, 'cause he stealthed edited his post. He meant to quote Annie, he quoted me first 😉 I replied before he fixed his post. Or at least that’s how I think it went down. Maybe I need to get more rest. EDIT: Nope, he never edited his post. I’m going crazy! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-the-pit-thread-for-career-criminal-civilans-killing-cops/735458/40 "2015-10-27T16:02:03Z")
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