# Here's why Hillary won the popular vote. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 15, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764 "2016-12-15T12:31:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/81 "2017-01-10T03:57:13Z")
Possibly someone can remind me: is there something in particular that Democrats are supposed to do when Republicans go low? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/82 "2017-01-10T04:25:06Z")
“Thank you, sir, can I have another?” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/83 "2017-01-10T04:34:33Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Do you judge your behavior by the standards of the other side? Or do you judge your behavior by the standards you set for yourself? > > Since it has been Democrats complaining about the lack of respect the president got, it presumably should be Democrats who step up and treat the incoming President properly. N’est-çe pas? There are many things the dems can and must do to get tougher and respond to the rebubkis behavior over the last decade. I don’t know why anyone would call that “going low.” How is that a a two party system? The Dems have to learn and change. You aren’t suggesting that they just go along while the other party in the system just unilaterally exploits their courtesies, are you? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/84 "2017-01-10T05:40:12Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > There are many things the dems can and must do to get tougher and respond to the rebubkis behavior over the last decade. I don’t know why anyone would call that “going low.” How is that a a two party system? The Dems have to learn and change. > > You aren’t suggesting that they just go along while the other party in the system just unilaterally exploits their courtesies, are you? I wasn’t talking about what the Party’s politicians should do politically. I was referencing how people who identify as “Democrats” or “liberals” should behave with regard to the turn of events. I was suggesting that, having spent the last eight years decrying what was perceived as poor behavior by “conservatives,” these people should act in accordance with what they spent that time claiming “conservatives” should have been doing. I’m having trouble understanding the push-back I’m getting here. Is it truly the case that people believe that they are justified in behaving badly because that’s what the other “side” did? When did we become a people who set our standards for ourselves on the basis of what those we are castigating have done? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/85 "2017-01-10T07:02:27Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > …When did we become a people who set our standards for ourselves on the basis of what those we are castigating have done? : Listen, I’ll do anything you say, just promise that you’ll never write another sentence like this one again. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/86 "2017-01-10T13:12:58Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > N’est-çe pas? _\_ ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/87 "2017-01-10T18:20:50Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I wasn’t talking about what the Party’s politicians should do politically. I was referencing how people who identify as “Democrats” or “liberals” should behave with regard to the turn of events. I was suggesting that, having spent the last eight years decrying what was perceived as poor behavior by “conservatives,” these people should act in accordance with what they spent that time claiming “conservatives” should have been doing. > > I’m having trouble understanding the push-back I’m getting here. Is it truly the case that people believe that they are justified in behaving badly because that’s what the other “side” did? When did we become a people who set our standards for ourselves on the basis of what those we are castigating have done? :rolleyes: I’m not getting you. Dems need to be more activist. The right is not distinguishing between pols and activists. Why are you? Why should anyone? How is responding to this “poor behavior”? I think it’s coming down to the definition of “poor behavior”, not to mention “decrying.” That’s not what I saw in the last decade. You are focusing on the appearance of effects when there are actual causes to deal with. They are not going away. Isn’t it possible you’re just pleading for special treatment? That’s what it sounds like. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/88 "2017-01-11T00:28:23Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Is it truly the case that people believe that they are justified in behaving badly because that’s what the other “side” did? You have to do what works. It’s called _politics_. > [@](#): > > When did we become a people who set our standards for ourselves on the basis of what those we are castigating have done? :rolleyes: We never have, and still aren’t. We’re focused on how to make the country \*truly \*greater. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764/89 "2017-01-11T00:29:23Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Possibly someone can remind me: is there something in particular that Democrats are supposed to do when Republicans go low? Despite what Michelle said, I go along with “The high road is a fine vantage point to watch the world burn, but fighting is done in the trenches.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-why-hillary-won-the-popular-vote/774764.md?page=4)