# Here's your "all white jury", race hustlers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 26, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621 "2013-07-26T20:09:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/201 "2013-07-30T20:28:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Sure! You don’t deserve one. Plain enough for your sorry ass? Yes. That’s plain. You were the one with the challenge: “Does evidence ever change your mind?” you asked. I showed it did, and asked you the reciprocal question. You now say you’re not going to answer me, because I don’t deserve an answer. OK. We can leave it there. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/202 "2013-07-30T21:57:22Z")
Why would a bleeding, scared-to-death, Zimmerman, who was being beaten into a pulp – not his exact words but a close paraphrase – by the fastest MMA expert known to mankind (remember, this “deadly” beating took less than a minute, including the muffling, head-bashing, multiple blows, etc) decline to get a simple medical check from the emergency squad that showed-up on site just minutes later? If you thought you were an inch from losing your life due to all the punishment recieved above, would you not, at the very least, want to have specialist on the ground give you a once over? Maybe Z know what we all know know: namely that he had some minor injuries, same as most people get when they get into one. IOW, I’ll put some frozen peas on it, take a couple Tylenols and be fine tomorrow. But no! All of a sudden at trial, these scuffs that I used to get all the time just by playing sports, are amped-up to be life-threatening and reason enough to _legally_ blow someone’s heart out. Not buying what they are selling. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/203 "2013-07-30T22:36:51Z")
Also, has anyone brought up the fact that closed-fist blows will usually backfire on you – unless you’ve had extensive training (Am I right, **Shodan**?). Reason being our skulls are the hardest and sharpest part of our bodies. Martin obviously didn’t know that, or else he would have slapped the hell out Z n-- again, you almost always end-up with badly bruised/broken knuckles. Where are Martin’s? Had he known about slapping the hell out of someone…one cupped slap to the ear. Can’t blame him though. You do what you can with what you have – and Martin didn’t have a _gun_. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/204 "2013-07-31T02:43:51Z")
Skulls are hard, yeah. But sharp? Skulls are sharp? Um… (Examines several skulls on bookshelf.) Not really. The nasal bones stick out a little, but they’re terribly brittle. The zygomatic arch? Not really sharp. The point of the jaw? Not in anyone other than Dick Tracy… Hard, definitely. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/205 "2013-07-31T02:58:01Z")
Not skulls per se but punching someone in the mouth can give you a vicious cut on your hand from the teeth. My uncle got a human tooth embedded in his hand during a streetfight once. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/206 "2013-07-31T05:19:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes. That’s plain. > > You were the one with the challenge: “Does evidence ever change your mind?” you asked. I showed it did, and asked you the reciprocal question. > > You now say you’re not going to answer me, because I don’t deserve an answer. > > OK. We can leave it there. I swear, **Bricker** , if you put as much effort into speaking truth as you do in defending your dignity, you’d have disciples by now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/207 "2013-07-31T05:21:04Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Not skulls per se but punching someone in the mouth can give you a vicious cut on your hand from the teeth. My uncle got a human tooth embedded in his hand during a streetfight once. That was _my_ uncle’s and he wants it back! ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/208 "2013-07-31T14:45:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I swear, **Bricker** , if you put as much effort into speaking truth as you do in defending your dignity, you’d have disciples by now. Yes. This lesson in telling the truth [brought to you by the poster who said this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16526138&postcount=201) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/209 "2013-08-01T01:05:50Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It’s his trick for never being actually wrong, never actually say _anything_. It failed earlier when he managed to support my post whilst attempting to prove me wrong, by showing that all the medical testimony was consistent with Zimmerman having been attacked and bashed against the ground repeatedly. It’s amazing to me how long he gets away with it. It’s the rhetorical version of The Emperor’s New Clothes: he spews a paragraph of bullshit that sounds vaguely like it might be incisive, biting sarcasm, or some mournful insight that brings Holden Caulfield to mind without actually saying anything, and he remains utterly immune to any attempt to pin him down. It’s actually kind of impressive: in a place that’s supposed to work with facts, he affects an air of bored superiority, a few homespun uses of “hoss,” and no one notices he’s actually not saying anything. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/210 "2013-08-01T01:15:59Z")
Eat your heart out. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/211 "2013-08-01T04:05:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > To the extent that my comments imply an explicit, spoken, direct conspiracy, with the orders being issued by memo or by explicitly verbal direction, I agree that’s probably not the case. In which case, my level of interest goes down, because to me it’s nearly impossible for a news organization NOT to have some kind of unspoken prejudices in how they tell a story. It’s unfortunate, and it’s something that should be struggled against when identified, but it’s both nearly inevitable and a very gray-area scale. (There’s also the question of how damaging to the democracy it is if the populace gets a slanted view of a particular issue. If there’s a very close national election and a major news organization is strongly tilted towards one side, even if not intentionally/consciously, that’s much more serious than if there’s a lot of coverage of Charlie Sheen being an ass which is strongly tilted towards the he-is-an-ass or the he-is-not-an-ass side. This issue is somewhere in the middle between those extremes.) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2013, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/212 "2013-08-01T04:35:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s one of those terms certain people can’t stop using when they’re talking about racial issues. (“Race pimps” is another, and so is “thugs.”) I’m not sure why that is- maybe it’s genetic? I am sure [Leo Terrell](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xFUDFAGlMZU)(sp?)'s characterization of Juan Williams as a “hustler” in the Zimmerman case is “genetic”. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/213 "2013-08-02T07:22:43Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > I am sure [Leo Terrell](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xFUDFAGlMZU)(sp?)'s characterization of Juan Williams as a “hustler” in the Zimmerman case is “genetic”. Leo Terrell is getting a lot of good press in the right wing blogosphere for that performance (and make no mistake, it was a performance). Those Fox shows are as authentic as professional wrestling. Besides, how could anyone call Juan Williams a race hustler, when just the other day he was defending O’Reilly from the race “hucksters”. He is also fond of repeating your favorite Jesse Jackson quote about being followed. There’s no business like show business. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/214 "2013-08-02T08:00:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ok, Brietbart sucks; we accept nothing he says. > > [Slate’s William Saletan: the media are a reporting that a juror said George Zimmerman got away with murder. That’s not true.](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/did_george_zimmerman_get_away_with_murder_no_juror_b29_is_being_framed.single.html) > > The article makes virtually identical claims. > > And it’s not from Hades Underload Breitbart. Can you now address whatever merits may exist in the argument? > > (I haven’t looked at the issue at all and have no idea what position to take. Just irritated at **elucidator** ’s dismissal of the claims made based on the fact that Brietbart repeated them; if Brietbart reports that water boils at 100[sup]o[/sup] C at one atmosphere, we ought not to immediately upend the laws of physics simply because Brietbart has endorsed them.) **Update on the Saletan article.** :eek: But first, here is the actual headline, in its entirety: > [@](#): > > **Did George Zimmerman Get Away With Murder?** > > The media are reporting that a juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder. That’s not true. See what he did there? Is it any wonder **Bricker** made that error when he mixed up the header’s wording in his hyperlink? But that’s not all. Is the media reporting that a “juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder”? Try googling that phrase and see what comes up. Guess who the only member of the media who said that is? Yes, the first hit is… Saletan’s article. \*He \*is the one saying they said that. But _that’s_ not true. All the other articles that come up use the “got away with murder” quote, which _is_ what she actually said. Or repeated, if you insist. Then of course you’ve got bloggers running with Saletan’s article and also mixing up the quotes, which IMO is what he intended. I mean, c’mon. That’s my last word on an article that supposedly exposes the “misleading liberal media”. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621.md?page=10)