# Here's your "all white jury", race hustlers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 26, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621 "2013-07-26T20:09:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/101 "2013-07-27T17:40:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hm. Didn’t remember that part of Batson. Withdrawn. ::beams with pride:: You knew I was quoting Batson, though. You’re one of us now. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/102 "2013-07-27T18:43:43Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [http://www.trbimg.com/img-51f1b2c7/turbine/chi-robin-roberts-juror-b29-20130725/600/600x570](http://www.trbimg.com/img-51f1b2c7/turbine/chi-robin-roberts-juror-b29-20130725/600/600x570) > > …or how[an all-white jury](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/22/white-people-believe-the-justice-system-is-color-blind-black-people-really-dont/)eventually acquitted Zimmerman for killing Martin. > Also at the event was retired judge Greg Mathis, of The Judge Mathis Show, who complained about [the all-white jury](http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/07/8532115/video-harlem-trayvon-martins-mother-warns-next-incident) that acquitted Zimmerman; > > Zimmerman had an [all-white female jury](http://wavenewspapers.com/opinion/the_soulvine/article_6ccd7fea-efd7-11e2-a505-0019bb30f31a.html). > A black youth is killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, the police conduct a shoddy investigation, prosecutors put on a bumbling case, and [an all-white jury](http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-07-15/news/bs-ed-trayvon-martin-20130715_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-own-defense) in the South acquits. > > George Zimmerman skirted justice with [an all-white jury](http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/george-zimmerman-skirts-justice-with-all-white-jury-video/) of his peers which consisted of all women. > > A jury in Florida failed us. We have not seen a moral failure this grave since a similarly [all-white jury](http://www.theroot.com/views/why-zimmerman-jury-failed-us) in Simi Valley, Calif., in 1992 acquitted the four LAPD officers who beat Rodney King. > > [The all-white jury](http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/20/3041859/ignoring-race-a-mistake.html)’s empathy for Zimmerman resulted in deliberations that were missing an important perspective and voice: those of Trayvon Martin. No fair trial would yield that result. > > Nearly fifty years after the civil rights movement of the 1960s, our nation still feels that pain of racial tension when trials like Zimmerman’s take center stage on our nation’s media outlets. Our minds fill with questions: Were racial motivations a part of the killing? Were racial motivations a part of[the all-white jury](http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=17805#.UfLTym0de-c)? What are we to make of an all-white jury, a Hispanic defendant, and an African-American victim? > > So when [an all-white jury](http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/opinion/perspectives/1011437-474/confronting-americas-racial-divide.html) declared George Zimmerman not guilty in the murder of Trayvon Martin, most white Americans agreed with the verdict, and most black Americans did not. > > And now an [all white jury](http://www.fightbacknews.org/2013/7/17/winston-salem-rallies-against-zimmerman-verdict) in Sanford, Florida, has found George Zimmerman not guilty for murdering Trayvon Martin > **[ABC News Must Release the Full, Unedited Interview with Zimmerman Juror B29](https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2013/07/27/why-wont-abc-news-releases-unedited-interview-zimmerman-juror/)** > > When it comes to the sins committed by the mainstream media in their 18-month crusade to accomplish a media-lynching of George Zimmerman, we have seen | Apparently ABC news may have engaged in some creative editing of B29’s interview, making parts of it come out with a different meaning. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/103 "2013-07-27T19:27:24Z")
She _seems_ to be hesitating? She _seems_ to be presented with a statement? She _seems_? There is a reason why _Blightbart_ is regarded with contempt by reasoning people. James O’Keefe. the Clueless Pimp is one, there are dozens. Literally, dozens. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/104 "2013-07-27T19:37:40Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Why would you expect the police to hamper their investigation by immediately arresting him? This doesn’t make sense… The police arrest people they think have committed a crime. They don’t let a suspect go around free and untouched pending their investigation. Certainly not in cases of suspected murder. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/105 "2013-07-27T19:48:21Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > This doesn’t make sense… The police arrest people they think have committed a crime. They don’t let a suspect go around free and untouched pending their investigation. Certainly not in cases of suspected murder. They have to charge within a certain amount of time of arrest. If the suspect is not a flight risk, and is willing to be questioned without arrest, there is nothing to gain and quite a lot to lose by arresting before it’s necessary. That’s ignoring the fact that an arrest could have been illegal. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/106 "2013-07-27T21:04:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > She _seems_ to be hesitating? She _seems_ to be presented with a statement? She _seems_? > > There is a reason why _Blightbart_ is regarded with contempt by reasoning people. James O’Keefe. the Clueless Pimp is one, there are dozens. Literally, dozens. Might not just be his opinion. It wouldn’t hurt to see the unedited interview. Remember the video showing a total lack of Zimmerman’s injuries which got everyone excited? As it turned out it was a low resolution video camera pointed at a monitor. The video camera moved, but the security monitor couldn’t move.. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/107 "2013-07-27T21:23:28Z")
And the medical examiner’s opinion that Z’s injuries were “very insignificant”? > **[Medical examiner calls Zimmerman's injuries 'very insignificant'](https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-medical-examiner-20130702-story.html)** > > A medical examiner who looked at the photographs and records of George Zimmerman said the injuries to the neighborhood watch volunteer were insignificant, as the prosecution and defense in the murder trial argued about whether Zimmerman embellished... (Among others: google “Zimmerman injuries insignificant” and take your pick…) ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/108 "2013-07-27T21:28:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And the medical examiner’s opinion that Z’s injuries were “very insignificant”? > > [Medical examiner calls Zimmerman's injuries 'very insignificant'](http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-medical-examiner-20130702,0,1358679.story) > > (Among others: google “Zimmerman injuries insignificant” and take your pick…) Well if you consider that GZ is still alive and the ME’s job is to examine DEAD bodies by comparison the injuries were minor. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/109 "2013-07-27T21:30:11Z")
Well, son-of-a-gun! Just for funzies, I googled to see if Blightbart reported on that, and they did! its the one with zero comments. > **[Medical examiner calls Zimmerman's injuries insignificant - Breitbart](https://www.breitbart.com/news/upiupi-20130702-165145-3224/)** > > SANFORD, Fla., July 2 (UPI) -- A medical examiner Tuesday called George Zimmerman's injuries insignificant on the night he shot Trayvon Martin. Dr. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/110 "2013-07-27T21:34:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re bending over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt, I see. > > In my view, that’s justified for the first instance – the “bad edit.” When they take steps to hide in when the error is discovered, that suggests to me a consciousness of guilt. I don’t agree with that logic at all. Someone does something wrong. We don’t know whether it was intentional evil or just a mistake, but in either case it reflects badly on them. Then they are caught and have a chance to make a really good apology (which presumably will draw more attention) or a crappy apology (in an attempt to just kind of let the issue slide away into page 8 news). They make a crappy apology. That doesn’t strike me as any new evidence as to whether it was a mistake or evil in the first place, because in either case, assuming these aren’t saints, they have an incentive to just pretend it never happened. > [@](#): > > And then we have this third thing – the juror’s race. You are looking at each event in isolation, and saying that there’s no definitive proof of anything beyond poor journalism. There’s certainly no definitive PROOF of anything. But there’s a middle possibility which I’m open to, which is a “let’s be more accepting of things that fit our narrative” type approach, in which certain types of reports would be more likely to be double checked than others, etc. The key difference here is that all of that can happen entirely unintentionally. I find it quite plausible that if we had some completely objective rating of the totality of NBC’s coverage of the Zimmerman/Martin case it would get a very low score for overall truth in reporting and a special red mark from the teacher for tending towards one interpretation of the facts. But that’s very very different from a conscious attempt to mislead or deceive. > [@](#): > > I will completely abandon this claim, by the way, if you can show me any instance of NBC addressing this more fairly “…that I didn’t happen” to catch. That’s awfully vague. But I’m sure that if we got videotape (or the modern equivalent) of every second of coverage of the case on NBC (and possibly all of its affiliated organizations) there would be plenty of entire little segments in which nothing particularly slanted or objectionable was said. I mean, that has to be true purely by chance if nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/111 "2013-07-28T00:53:52Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No retraction of your lies about me then? That I think you’re racist? No. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/112 "2013-07-28T01:32:21Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > That I think you’re racist? No. Then explain how the first posts I made here (that I conveniently linked to for you) were in defence of a North African man falsely accused of killing white people. Oh, you can’t, because you’re a fucking moron who doesn’t care about facts, just his own idiotic ideas. Have you met **Stoid**? You’d probably get along well. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/113 "2013-07-28T02:04:04Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > The injustice! A jury having to consider the evidence! If you have a problem with that, may you live to be convicted by a jury’s feelings in defiance of evidence. I’m an atheist. I’m sure that an American jury would rule against me pretty much no matter what the evidence is. If some Californian version of Zimmerman killed me I’m sure the jury would find “evidence” that let the killer off the hook. _Especially_ if he used a gun to kill me with. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/114 "2013-07-28T02:56:21Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > This doesn’t make sense… The police arrest people they think have committed a crime. They don’t let a suspect go around free and untouched pending their investigation. Certainly not in cases of suspected murder. Just not in Sanford., Fla Where a good negro in a dead negro. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/115 "2013-07-28T03:31:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > How do you surrender to a guy who is already doing that? Question was apparently to hard for you to parry. You are going on Z’s testimony alone. Again, explain the inconsistencies it in vs no possible rebuttal. Martin is dead after all --no can rebutt Z’s bullshit How do you _disprove_ Martin went looking for some Skittles, Ice tea & taking with his GF on his way back? So, whose on trial here? Victim or murderer? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/116 "2013-07-28T04:00:36Z")
Us. We are on trial here. The verdict is in, the brave young neighborhood watch captain…maybe not the _brightes_t young neighborhood watch captain, seeing as he has to get out of his truck and go for a walk to find a street sign that will tell him where in the neighborhood he fucking is!..but still, protecting his neighborhood from a drugged up young thug in a hoodie. Protecting with extreme prejudice. “Extreme prejudice” Ha! Kinda funny. Well, no, no it isn’t, a joke told with a smile through gritted teeth. A chagrin, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/117 "2013-07-28T04:01:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Can you point to any errors at all made by NBC that favored Zimmerman? They called him a “white hispanic”. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/118 "2013-07-28T07:23:58Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m an atheist. I’m sure that an American jury would rule against me pretty much no matter what the evidence is. If some Californian version of Zimmerman killed me I’m sure the jury would find “evidence” that let the killer off the hook. _Especially_ if he used a gun to kill me with. Your paranoia never ceases to amaze me, which is astonishing considering the extent to which I’ve learned to allow for it over the years. So you manage to make this all about your atheist martyrdom, rather than summon up the stones to say “You know, you’re right, juries should convict on evidence and not feelings” - or even admit that the quote didn’t say the juror _thought_ Zee was guilty as you falsely claimed. Keep up the stellar work. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/119 "2013-07-28T09:20:02Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > So, whose on trial here? Victim or murderer? Neither. I’m sure if you try _really_ hard you can spot your foolish mistake. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621/120 "2013-07-28T12:37:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Then explain how the first posts I made here (that I conveniently linked to for you) were in defence of a North African man falsely accused of killing white people. > > Oh, you can’t, because you’re a fucking moron who doesn’t care about facts, just his own idiotic ideas. Have you met **Stoid**? You’d probably get along well. You positively delight in the death of this black teen. You remind me of one of those people you see in old photos of lynchings, standing under the body and grinning for the camera. Your a racist piece of shit and you are obsessed with this case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heres-your-all-white-jury-race-hustlers/664621.md?page=7)