# Heresy.... Disney Animation better than Pixar? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108 "2016-03-25T06:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/21 "2016-03-27T15:02:07Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Aardman is better than the both of them. Here are their IMDB ratings: > > Chicken Run (2000) (10) > Wallace & Gromit and the Curse of the Were-Rabbit (2005) (10) > Flushed Away (2006) (10) > Arthur Christmas (2011) (7.1, though I’d give it a solid 10; it’s certainly the best Christmas themed animated film, and one of the best Christmas films of all time) > The Pirates! Band of Misfits (2012) (9) > Shaun the Sheep Movie (2015) (7.4) I’m not sure what numbers you’re looking at. The IMDB rating for Chicken Run is 7.0. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/22 "2016-03-27T17:50:26Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I think including _Cars 2_, which Pixar didn’t really want to make but did it for the money, is not really fair. And I have a hard time believing _Brave_, which got rave reviews and everyone loved… The reviews are objectively not “rave” by Pixar standards, as Rotten Tomatoes demonstrates. I sure didn’t love it. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/23 "2016-03-27T18:39:08Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I’m not sure what numbers you’re looking at. The IMDB rating for Chicken Run is 7.0. must have been wrong on the list I took. OTOH, Its Rotten tomatoes score is 97%. Four of their seven features has Rottentomatoes has scores over 90%, with Pirates just missing at 87. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/24 "2016-03-27T21:57:26Z")
I have high hopes for _Finding Dory,_ so… stay tuned. You’re not wrong, however. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Evil_Prince_Zorte)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/25 "2016-03-28T05:34:37Z")
It’s also worth looking at the shorts, , because that is where they develop new talent. I think Disney has had the edge there as well. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/26 "2016-03-28T16:22:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I think including _Cars 2_, which Pixar didn’t really want to make but did it for the money, is not really fair. And I have a hard time believing _Brave_, which got rave reviews and everyone loved, should have gotten so low a score. _Monsters U_ and _The Last Dinosaur_ were much well less liked than Brave. I mean, Merida is a freaking Disney Princess now. She’s iconic, and should be up there with _Tangled_. > > Heck, I’m not sure _Monsters U_ and _The Good Dinosaur_ should have around the same score. \*Monsters U \*was liked but not favorably compared to its predecessor. _The Good Dinosaur_ is just a film that didn’t seem to go anywhere. Oddly, the IMDb scores seem better in distinguishing them, and those are usually shit. I think part of the reviewing needs to look at the intended audience- was \*Cars 2 \*popular in the under-5 set? Probably so, and that’s likely who it was intended to market to, not the adults who rate the movies on RT and IMDB. Same with _Brave_. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/27 "2016-03-28T19:27:44Z")
No question, Disney has had a good period of creativity. Even the Disney TV shows have been good - or, in the case of _Gravity Falls_, **better** than good - it may be the best animated show for kids of the past decade or so. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/28 "2016-03-28T20:49:57Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > As an aside, are there any major release animated movies that are actually drawn? I just can’t watch computerized renderings. The last hand drawn Disney feature was The Princess and the Frog, released in 2009. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/29 "2016-03-28T23:03:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **magnusblitz** : > > You’d be surprised. For example, in this thread ranking Pixar films, the majority of people had Brave right in the middle or lower. (Yeah, Monsters U. is usually rated lower, but the point is that Brave wasn’t universally loved) In the middle of most peoples’ rankings of Pixar movies is a very good place to be, though. Even if they’ve had some duds, most folks agree that Pixar has had more good movies than bad, which would make the median Pixar movie a good one. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/30 "2016-03-28T23:54:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The reviews are objectively not “rave” by Pixar standards, as Rotten Tomatoes demonstrates. > > I sure didn’t love it. Oh God, I hated that movie so much. I saw it in theaters and about half-way through I realized I wasn’t going to get any less bored. So I just decided to pay attention to how pretty it was. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/31 "2016-03-29T00:08:12Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I think part of the reviewing needs to look at the intended audience- was \*Cars 2 \*popular in the under-5 set? Probably so But most Pixar movies have managed to charm children and adults alike. For whatever reason, Cars 2, far more than any other Pixar movie, failed with adults. It’s certainly reasonable to judge Cars 2 with the same criteria we use to judge the other movies in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/32 "2016-03-29T12:48:36Z")
Count me in the “What’s the difference, nowadays?” camp. > [@Malthus](#): > > No question, Disney has had a good period of creativity. Even the Disney TV shows have been good - or, in the case of _Gravity Falls_, **better** than good - it may be the best animated show for kids of the past decade or so. It’s great, but I’d put it only 4th (behind Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Avatar, if you’re curious) - we are in a Golden Age of animated children’s shows. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/33 "2016-03-29T13:02:17Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Count me in the “What’s the difference, nowadays?” camp. > It’s great, but I’d put it only 4th (behind Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Avatar, if you’re curious) - we are in a Golden Age of animated children’s shows. I’d put it in the same camp as Avatar, which was great, but it has better animation and is overall more unique. I did not care for Adventure Time (and neither did that ultimate critic, my kid. 😃 ). But that may just be because the humor in that show didn’t appeal. I look forward to watching Steven Universe, which I have not seen yet. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/34 "2016-03-29T18:49:40Z")
Disney was better than Pixar when Pixar first hit the gate, but coincidentally started a big slump right when Pixar could do no wrong\*. Now the shoe’s on the other foot (again). Other studios have copied what made Pixar good, siphoned talent. Pixar itself boosted output, further thinning the talent pool. Their best directors went off and made some ruefully terrible live-action movies. While Disney Feature Animation gets the advantage of playing with expectations. \*: The first Toy Story isn’t as great as its reputation, and Bug’s Life is derivative and boring. Although not as mind-numbingly dull as The Good Dinosaur is. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108/35 "2016-03-30T14:46:18Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Disney was better than Pixar when Pixar first hit the gate,[…] The first Toy Story isn’t as great as its reputation Firstly, wrong. Secondly, even if it were not as great as it is, it would still be better than _Pocahontas_, the Disney film that came out that same year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heresy-disney-animation-better-than-pixar/750108.md?page=1)