# Heritage? Nah, just hate. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487 "2017-08-12T23:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/121 "2017-08-14T03:00:19Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Holy shit, that is so smart! Thanks Trump for bringing this new generation of smart dumbfucks to the world!! MAGA MOTHERFUCKERS!!! He has a point (rofl), it is an ancient “thing”. So when do we bring back cannibalism, human sacrifice, etc? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/122 "2017-08-14T03:02:45Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > I fail to see how any of that is relevant to the portion of what I said that you quoted. > > Louis Riel led an armed rebellion in Manitoba. He lost and we allowed him to split to the USA. He came back and did it a 2nd time in Saskatchewan. He lost, we kept him and we hanged him. Good! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/123 "2017-08-14T03:23:00Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > His imagination. Dementia will do that, don’tcha know? That and idiocy. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/124 "2017-08-14T03:33:11Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Good! Not really. All the government had to do to prevent the 1885 Rebellion from occurring was to grant the people already living in the Northwest Territories, newly acquired from the Hudson Bay Company, title to the land that they had settled. Since the plan was to give away the land in the NWT in exchange for settling it, this wouldn’t have been much of a concession. That it instead came to violence is more the fault of MacDonald than it is of Riel. And of course it didn’t help that the government was simultaneously using starvation as negotiation leverage to force the Cree to treaty talks. Can’t pin that on Louis either. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/125 "2017-08-14T03:34:03Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Not really. All the government had to do to prevent the 1885 Rebellion from occurring was to grant the people already living in the Northwest Territories, newly acquired from the Hudson Bay Company, title to the land that they had settled. Since the plan was to give away the land in the NWT in exchange for settling it, this wouldn’t have been much of a concession. That it instead came to violence is more the fault of MacDonald than it is of Riel. > > And of course it didn’t help that the government was simultaneously using starvation as negotiation leverage to force the Cree to treaty talks. Can’t pin that on Louis either. That is seriously messed up. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/126 "2017-08-14T03:39:53Z")
Let’s be honest. Canada does have a deep rooted race issue, but it more about red than black. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/127 "2017-08-14T10:27:19Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Let’s be honest. Canada does have a deep rooted race issue, but it more about red than black. True. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/128 "2017-08-14T10:38:21Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Seriously, anyone who thinks that denying that history happened is a fucking idiot. We acknowledge that the Holocaust happened. That doesn’t mean we put up statues of Hitler in the park. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/129 "2017-08-14T10:39:44Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > We acknowledge that the Holocaust happened. That doesn’t mean we put up statues of Hitler in the park. Don’t give him ideas. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/130 "2017-08-14T10:55:38Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > We have [anti-hate laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada) that come into play, whereas the USA does not have such protection. We have reasonable restrictions on firearms, whereas the USA does not have such protection. The constitutionally enshrined failures in these two areas in the USA lack reasonable checks and balances, making it easier for bigotry to spread in the USA and to be very dangerous when it organizes. The deeper, more fundamental problem is that the United States was a country that was founded on racial inequality. It has had opportunities to evolve, but it has resisted doing so, taking baby steps along the way, with the ruling white class never fully acknowledging the scale of what it has done to other minority groups, particularly blacks. Not coincidentally, America is a country where the predominately white economic and political establishment seeks to maintain a society in which income and wealth are distributed unevenly. America’s socioeconomic elite will tell you that people are theoretically treated the same under the law and that this is enough to justify disparities in outcomes. But until the United States becomes a society that cares more about create a society in which the vast majority can live without the fear of economic distress, it will continue to have these kinds of deep divisions. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/131 "2017-08-14T11:00:13Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Not just decorations, but statements by the community of what the community values and admires. And a statue of Robert E. Lee in a public park is a giant “fuck you” to the descendants of Jefferson’s slaves who live in the shadow of Monticello. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/132 "2017-08-14T11:08:16Z")
I can’t speak for every single monument across the South but it is fairly-well documented that many of the monuments were erected as a way of giving the finger to Northern Republicans who imposed terms on defeated Southerners during Reconstruction. It’s the White South’s way of saying _"We may have lost the war and we may no longer be able to own slaves, but we can replace slavery with a race-based hierarchy that is almost as inhumane and there’s not a goddamn thing Washington can do about it._" And until the 1960s, that proved to be quite true. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/133 "2017-08-14T11:51:21Z")
Many confederate statues were erected, and many schools were named after confederates beginning in the 1940s as a reaction to talk about desegregation. What a lot of people see as a 19th century tradition actually has its roots in an overt push against racial equality in the mid-twentieth century. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/134 "2017-08-14T15:36:29Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Don’t give him ideas. Oops! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/135 "2017-08-14T15:39:58Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > And a statue of Robert E. Lee in a public park is a giant “fuck you” to the descendants of Jefferson’s slaves who live in the shadow of Monticello. More specifically, it’s a reminder to stay in their place and not get uppity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/136 "2017-08-14T18:02:12Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This is awesome. “Other than slavery” is in parentheses. Suck my dick you fucking turd. > [@SteveG1](#): > > So yeah, suck mine too. Choke on it. [Moderating] Telling other posters to suck your dick is a violation of the boards language rules. Please avoid this in the future. No warnings issued. [/Modrating] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/137 "2017-08-14T18:04:27Z")
Ever since you became a mod, you’ve been just itching for the chance to post that, haven’t you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/138 "2017-08-14T18:20:56Z")
As an outsider, what confuses me about this shit is; surely there’s non-racist, non-slavery-associated stuff by which to celebrate the South? I don’t know much about the history of the American South, but the Confederate flag and important Civil War figures can’t be _it_, can it? I don’t understand why people don’t just celebrate the good stuff and dump the crap and crap-aligned. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/139 "2017-08-14T18:22:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Ever since you became a mod, you’ve been just itching for the chance to post that, haven’t you? 😉 Is this his first? CONGRATS!!! 😃 But seriously, Miller is right. In my own defense, I did self-report on myself in an attempt fix it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487/140 "2017-08-14T18:24:27Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > They were still Americans, and (other than slavery) they embodied American values. Bullshit. Shooting at US soldiers is entirely contrary to “American values”, pretty much by definition. Might as well say Tim McVeigh and the Unabomber “embodied American values”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heritage-nah-just-hate/793487.md?page=8)