# Herman Cain: Action Hero **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947 "2011-09-11T16:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/241 "2011-10-11T17:52:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t like posting and moderating in the same thread when I can avoid it, but I am getting tired of this attitude from you. If you really don’t give a flying fuck, _stop debating_. If you do want to debate, the rules require you to be civil and act like an adult. You can post like this in the Pit, but not in the other forums. If you keep doing this, you’re not going to be allowed to post here much longer. This doesn’t warrant an ATMB thread, but do the rules actually require posters to be civil and act like an adult? I didn’t think so based on - well everything else. I think your first instinct was correct, posting and moderating in the same thread is bad form. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/242 "2011-10-11T17:57:55Z")
From the FAQ: > [@](#): > > You are free to express your views in a forceful manner provided you remain civil. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/243 "2011-10-11T18:05:32Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > This doesn’t warrant an ATMB thread, but do the rules actually require posters to be civil and act like an adult? Civility, as **Jas09** beat me to the punch in saying, is mentioned in the FAQ. “Act like an adult” isn’t a direct quote from the rules, but I think it’s a reasonable summary of what they require posters to do- at least in a serious, non-BBQ Pit discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/244 "2011-10-11T18:25:50Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Because, you know, Presidential living is as black as black gets. Well, he _is_ living in government housing. That said, I can’t see Cain winning much of the popular or electoral vote, even if he IS the GOP candidate, which I doubt he could become. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/245 "2011-10-11T19:20:39Z")
On the back of that poll showing Cain in second in Iowa comes this from PPP (D): [http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cain-leads-in-iowa.html](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cain-leads-in-iowa.html) Top line: Cain 30%, Romney 22%… Perry 9%. So requirement number 1 for me to consider Cain a serious candidate has been met. Now just show me either institutional endorsements (like the one Romney got today from Christie) or a big fundraising haul and I’ll happily grant him the “serious candidate” label. One grain of salt from the poll: > [@](#): > > Over the course of our last four polls in the state we’ve found four different leaders: Mike Huckabee, then Romney, then Perry, and now Cain. And if we’d done a poll any time in July or early August we probably would have found Bachmann in the lead to make it five leaders in five polls. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/246 "2011-10-11T20:05:29Z")
Sorry to disrupt the discussion, but [**AbloyProtec** has been banned.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14347610#post14347610) ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/247 "2011-10-11T20:15:39Z")
Well, crap. Now we need another Cain evangelist. Maybe I’ll take up the mantle: “Cain is Able!” “Yes, We Cain!”, “Hope and Cain!” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/248 "2011-10-11T20:25:48Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Well, crap. Now we need another Cain evangelist. Maybe I’ll take up the mantle: “Cain is Able!” “Yes, We Cain!”, “Hope and Cain!” Obama is already preparing for a Cain candidacy:\*\* “Shellac Cain 2012!”\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/249 "2011-10-11T20:36:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Sorry to disrupt the discussion, but [**AbloyProtec** has been banned.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14347610#post14347610) Our long national nightmare is finally over. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/250 "2011-10-11T22:02:02Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Well, crap. Now we need another Cain evangelist. I’ll ask my mom if she’ll log on … ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/251 "2011-10-12T00:26:41Z")
lol, Cain’s primary economic advisor is Rich Lowry. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/252 "2011-10-12T02:44:53Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > lol, Cain’s primary economic advisor is Rich Lowry. So I wonder if Herman makes him all tingly like Sarah did. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/253 "2011-10-12T18:06:51Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > lol, Cain’s primary economic advisor is Rich Lowry. > [@jsgoddess](#): > > So I wonder if Herman makes him all tingly like Sarah did. Wrong Rich. It’s Lowrie, not Lowry. A Wells Fargo “wealth manager” (not an economist), not the National Review editor. I’m honestly not sure which would be worse… [http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65713.html](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65713.html) I know, I’m not being a very good Cain booster - where’s **furt** ’s mom when you need her? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/254 "2011-10-12T19:19:58Z")
Lowry’s like 8 times funnier. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/255 "2011-10-12T19:28:37Z")
I don’t know, I kind of like the idea that Cain’s primary economic adviser is his banker. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/256 "2011-10-12T19:44:42Z")
Probably the cute chick at the drive up window. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/257 "2011-10-14T06:06:59Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Let’s assume a family of 4, $50,000 annual income (married, filing jointly). > > Under the current plan, they would pay around $10,000 in income and payroll taxes. That leaves $40,000 to spend whatever they want. Fine. > > Under Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, they would pay $4,500 in income and payroll taxes. That leaves them $45,500 by my count to spend on whatever. Let’s further assume they spend nearly all of that on purchasing and it’s a 6% sales tax rate in their area. Well, they could spend $39,000 of that and pay $5,580 in taxes (9%+6%=15%), or $44,580. I realize AbloyProtec is no longer among us, but I want to correct this math. The “9% corporate tax” is actually a 9% value added tax, which would mean an 18% total national consumption tax. So the hypothetical family would pay $9360 in taxes on those purchases, for a total tax liability of $13860, nearly $1000 more than they’re paying now with that income/payroll tax liability and a 6% state sales tax on those purchases. ---
**Author:** ![CJJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@CJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CJJ)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/258 "2011-10-14T18:57:27Z")
I see Mr. Cain is the feature guest on [Meet the Press](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/) this weekend. That should pretty much finish him off. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/259 "2011-10-14T21:08:18Z")
Perry raised about $17 million between mid-August and the end of September, and for the full third quarter, Romney brought in $14 million and Paul around $8 million. Cain hasn’t disclosed a fundraising total, but says his campaign has hundreds of thousands of dollars on hand. Yes, there’s no stopping the Cain train. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/260 "2011-10-14T21:33:15Z")
The Hermanator will have to be a little more careful in [choosing metaphors](http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/fact-check-herman-cains-ice-cream-meltdown/): > [@](#): > > When contacted by ABC News, Hazel, at the Haagen-Daz customer service line, said, “We don’t sell black walnut. The sales nationally did not meet our expectations, unfortunately. It did not behoove us to continue with the product.” > > The ice cream did not meet expectations. Cain better hope that is not a metaphor for his candidacy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947.md?page=14)