# Herman Cain: Action Hero **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947 "2011-09-11T16:12:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/121 "2011-10-03T23:15:57Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Is Google or Yahoo down for you? I’m pretty sure when I Google “Herman Cain Healthcare” I get the same responses as you. [Health Care page on HermanCain.com](http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues/health-care-2) > [@](#): > > Repeal and Replace Health Care “Deform” > > President Obama and the liberals in Congress have dismantled the free market health care system and replaced it with health care “deform.” They have passed measures that compromise the sacred patient-doctor relationship, eliminate patient choice, stick a bureaucrat in the examining room, ration care and do nothing to limit frivolous lawsuits that drive up the cost of health care. In all of these provisions, they made health care more expensive and less accessible for American families they claimed to protect. > > Under the guise of making health care a “right” for all people, President Obama and the liberals in Congress instead extended the tentacles of government, expanding their control and diminishing patients’ rights. They have also made it more difficult and more expensive for doctors to practice medicine, including specialized practitioners who are desperately needed to save lives. In reality, their attempts at reforming the system have actually deformed it. > > The majority of Americans agree: it’s time to repeal and replace Obamacare with patient-centered, free market reforms. It’s time to institute legitimate tort reforms that let doctors practice medicine without fear of frivolous lawsuits. Loser pay laws would be a great start! That is, require those who lose frivolous lawsuits to pay the legal expenses of those found not guilty. Additionally, loosening the restrictions on Health Savings Accounts would help to empower Americans to save and invest their own money to expand their options for health care. > > Let’s level the playing field under the current tax code and allow the deductibility of health insurance premiums regardless of whether they are purchased by the employer or the employee. That would help shift ownership of one’s health care back to where it belongs, the individual. Patient-centered free market health care reforms have already been developed and introduced in Congress, but they are stuck in committee and they can’t get out. With the right leadership we can get them out and get them passed. Those are his words. However, they do not resemble a health care plan under any rational definition. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/122 "2011-10-03T23:19:09Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Come on, I can’t believe we’re debating this. They aren’t going to equip the U.S. with the latest technology if no one’s buying it simply because we need to keep up with the rest of the world. Yes we do. It is wise to compete with the best. Would you use a company that has outdated technology as a source? Or would you want an up to date cutting edge partner. If you answer that honestly, you will be one step up from where you are now. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/123 "2011-10-03T23:52:04Z")
So, Abloy, based on posts #121, how confident are you in Cain’s commitment to making life easier for businesses (which, in theory, will improve it for all Americans)? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/124 "2011-10-04T00:15:49Z")
Cain is a joke. His ideas are absurd. Now he wants “hail to the Chief” to have a gospel beat. His 9-9-9 is childish like all bills being 3 pages long. That is merely confessing that he can not follow a complicated bill. He is attempting to please people who are outside the system and haters of the government. Sorry that people can not see what an idiot Cain is? ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/125 "2011-10-04T10:55:13Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Yes we do. It is wise to compete with the best. Would you use a company that has outdated technology as a source? Or would you want an up to date cutting edge partner. If you answer that honestly, you will be one step up from where you are now. Again, you’re omitting any semblance of reality in this country with regards to our Internet capabilities. If FiOS was in my area, I would love to get it. I live in Atlanta - it is not available in my area. I have DSL, and while switching to FiOS would cost more, the comparison of bandwidth per dollar is a no-contest win for FiOS. I’m not debating it’s speed, cost, any of that. The problem is that a U.S. ISP isn’t competing with a Japanese or South Korean ISP. They’re competing with other U.S. ISPs. Now, when you’ve got a 1/3 take-up rate, where is the sense in continuing to spend money upgrading the rest of the country? Cable and DSL are still king and not everyone is willing to upgrade to FiOS or fiber optics (after all, it does typically cost MORE than the alternatives). But, factor this: Verizon offers a package with 150Mbit/s download and 35Mbit/s upload speeds, or twice the average in Japan. That’s incredible, especially considering where we’ve come in just the past 10 years. The technology is there. There is no disputing that. The problem is that not every customer in America is willing to pay for those speeds. Demand, demand. Do you see the correlation? So, it’s hard to make a true comparison with Japan when most Americans are fine with the speeds they’re seeing from DSL and Cable internet connections. It’s not that we can’t surpass them. If the demand were there, I have no doubt we’d be the king of the Internet package. > [@](#): > > So, Abloy, based on posts #121, how confident are you in Cain’s commitment to making life easier for businesses (which, in theory, will improve it for all Americans)? Very. > [@](#): > > His 9-9-9 is childish like all bills being 3 pages long. That is merely confessing that he can not follow a complicated bill. He is attempting to please people who are outside the system and haters of the government. Sorry that people can not see what an idiot Cain is? Let’s assume a family of 4, $50,000 annual income (married, filing jointly). Under the current plan, they would pay around $10,000 in income and payroll taxes. That leaves $40,000 to spend whatever they want. Fine. Under Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, they would pay $4,500 in income and payroll taxes. That leaves them $45,500 by my count to spend on whatever. Let’s further assume they spend nearly all of that on purchasing and it’s a 6% sales tax rate in their area. Well, they could spend $39,000 of that and pay $5,580 in taxes (9%+6%=15%), or $44,580. So, only AFTER they spend virtually every single dollar they earn, do they pay more taxes than the current plan and it’s not by much (~$250). They may use that $5,500 extra to pay off debt, a mortgage, bills, loans, etc. Prove to me that more money into a paycheck of a worker, or family, does not help the U.S. economy. Please, I’d love to see this. Are they going to just let it sit in the bank? Awesome, that helps to. What do you think they’ll do? Pull that out of the bank and throw it under the mattress just to spite Cain’s intentions? Get real. > [@](#): > > Cain is a joke. His ideas are absurd. Now he wants “hail to the Chief” to have a gospel beat. Do yourself a favor and actually watch the Chris Wallace interview. Have a dictionary nearby and refer to “context” while doing so. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/126 "2011-10-04T13:32:45Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > [Health Care page on HermanCain.com](http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues/health-care-2) > > Those are his words. However, they do not resemble a health care plan under any rational definition. [Here you go](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension). Let’s outline Cain’s plans for reforming health care in America: [ul] [li]Repeal PPACA[/li][li]Tort Reform [/li][li]Address repayment issues regarding fivolous lawsuits against doctors, physicians, etc.[/li][li]Reform restrictions on HSA (health savings accounts) [/li][li]Allow the deductibility of health insurance premiums regardless of whether they are purchased by the employer or the employee[/li][li]Privatize Medicare, ala vouchers under Ryan 2011 budget plan[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/127 "2011-10-04T13:49:34Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > [Here you go](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension). > > Let’s outline Cain’s plans for reforming health care in America: > > [ul] > [li]Repeal PPACA[/li][li]Tort Reform[/li][li]Address repayment issues regarding fivolous lawsuits against doctors, physicians, etc.[/li][li]Reform restrictions on HSA (health savings accounts)[/li][li]Allow the deductibility of health insurance premiums regardless of whether they are purchased by the employer or the employee[/li][li]Privatize Medicare, ala vouchers under Ryan 2011 budget plan[/li][/ul] Utterly useless giveaways to the insurance companies and health care providers that will result in fewer people having insurance. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/128 "2011-10-04T14:30:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Utterly useless giveaways to the insurance companies and health care providers that will result in fewer people having insurance. Well then by all means elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/129 "2011-10-04T18:26:28Z")
PPP finds Cain leading in the polls in Nevada, West Virginia, and North Carolina. Too bad they only polled those 3 states. [Source](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cainmentum.html) ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/130 "2011-10-04T18:52:23Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > PPP finds Cain leading in the polls in Nevada, West Virginia, and North Carolina. Too bad they only polled those 3 states. > > [Source](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/10/cainmentum.html) Whoops. Meant to say Nebraska. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/131 "2011-10-04T19:14:59Z")
> [@](#): > > The thing fueling Cain’s lead in all of these states is strong support from the furthest right segment of the Republican electorate. How many different front-runners are these folks going to go through before they realize that they are all unelectable? Huckabee, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, now Cain. Did Gingrich get a turn (I wanna say he did before attacking the Paul budget)? Santorum just needs to hold on and wait for his turn. Palin could jump in and fly to the top for a few weeks - no wonder she’s waiting so long, she realizes just how short the attention spans of these Tea Partiers are. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/132 "2011-10-04T20:37:38Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > How many different front-runners are these folks going to go through before they realize that they are all unelectable? Huckabee, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, now Cain. Did Gingrich get a turn (I wanna say he did before attacking the Paul budget)? Santorum just needs to hold on and wait for his turn. > > Palin could jump in and fly to the top for a few weeks - no wonder she’s waiting so long, she realizes just how short the attention spans of these Tea Partiers are. Cain is not a front runner, by definition, yet. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/133 "2011-10-04T23:05:01Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Cain is not a front runner, by definition, yet. And in 2 hours, CBS has proven me wrong. Cain is now tied with Romney according to the [latest CBS poll](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115655-503544.html). ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/134 "2011-10-05T14:47:39Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > Cain is not a front runner, by definition, yet. I mean the front-runner for the far-right wing of the GOP. The candidate that the Tea Party gloms on to. They seem to change flavors every couple of weeks (basically as soon as their current candidate says something remotely moderate). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/135 "2011-10-05T14:50:13Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > And in 2 hours, CBS has proven me wrong. Cain is now tied with Romney according to the [latest CBS poll](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115655-503544.html). That would be great news for Cain if there was a national primary happening some time soon. That not being the case, it doesn’t mean much - and I say that as a critique of the practice of running those kinds of polls, not Cain or your post. ---
**Author:** ![AbloyProtec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@AbloyProtec](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AbloyProtec)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/136 "2011-10-05T15:46:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That would be great news for Cain if there was a national primary happening some time soon. That not being the case, it doesn’t mean much - and I say that as a critique of the practice of running those kinds of polls, not Cain or your post. I only referenced it because TECHNICALLY, Cain can now be considered a front runner based on one poll, or does the PPP count? Another poll found Cain with 41% support in Georgia (which he will win hands down). ([Source](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/poll-shows-cain-huge-lead-georgia/nDzq3/)) In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in a rude or matter-of-fact way, when will Herman Cain become a serious candidate to any of you? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/137 "2011-10-05T15:54:18Z")
So figure Cain has his loyal followers, who see _him_ the ideal candidate and all others are mere pretenders. And Bachmann has hers, and Paul has his… Isn’t it inevitable that these fringes will all cancel each other out and the nomination end up with a compromise candidate like Romney? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/138 "2011-10-05T15:56:53Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in a rude or matter-of-fact way, when will Herman Cain become a serious candidate to any of you? I daresay if he wins the most delegates on Super Tuesday (or comes in second or a very close third), I’ll take note. Let’s say if he’s in second place at the end of February. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/139 "2011-10-05T15:57:57Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > I only referenced it because TECHNICALLY, Cain can now be considered a front runner based on one poll, or does the PPP count? I think people waste a lot of time and energy on that “who’s the frontrunner?” bullshit, and I try not to be one of them. Even if I was, no, it is not smart to anoint a frontrunner based on one poll that does not reflect how voters are actually going to vote. > [@](#): > > In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in a rude or matter-of-fact way, when will Herman Cain become a serious candidate to any of you? To a lot of people, I suspect the answer is never. To others, it’ll probably happen when he starts winning primaries and throwing Romney and Perry off their game. Do you think either of those is going to happen soon? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947/140 "2011-10-05T16:11:37Z")
> [@AbloyProtec](#): > > I only referenced it because TECHNICALLY, Cain can now be considered a front runner based on one poll, or does the PPP count? > > Another poll found Cain with 41% support in Georgia (which he will win hands down). ([Source](http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/poll-shows-cain-huge-lead-georgia/nDzq3/)) > > In all seriousness, and I don’t mean this in a rude or matter-of-fact way, when will Herman Cain become a serious candidate to any of you? When we lose the ability to think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/herman-cain-action-hero/595947.md?page=8)