# Heroes (02/23/09) “Cold Wars” **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 23, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049 "2009-02-23T15:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/21 "2009-02-24T15:23:13Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Next up: People complaining how Peter can fly between Costa Verdi and Washington so quickly. If the Bennets lived in Maryland, they wouldn’t have all the continuity crap of people getting from Claire’s house to Prima/Hurst all the time. But I think the show likes to film something in Calif that is actually suppose to be California. > [@Lightray](#): > > Where was this episode supposed to have taken place, anyway? Costa Verde? Or near Washington DC? Peter and Nathan weren’t zipping back and forth across the US, were they? Just Peter, I think. Nathan was on schmooze patrol in DC. > [@Yumblie](#): > > Overall I like where this season is going, but I’m getting sick of the painting the future plot device. It’s gotten trite and hackneyed to the point where painting the future seem as mundane as reading a newspaper. Just letting the future unfurl without foreknowledge- sounds like a plan! > [@](#): > > Anyway, is this the first time we had an extended sequence of Peter pointing a gun at someone and he actually fired it? He deserves a pat on the back for that. In fact, it seems like Peter’s the brains of this whole operation. How about that! Peter actually fired a gun at his dad. Sylar just intercepted the bullet, let it hover while he BS-detected Arthur, then flung it in his forehead when he got BS red line readings. So he actually shot ‘at’ his dad without carrying the emotional burden of doing so. (Nice rationalization there, Petey!) ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/22 "2009-02-24T15:24:33Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > So, who do we think can blow up these days? Micro-boy; he’s with Sylar who, it can be said, knows how to develop a talent to its full potential ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/23 "2009-02-24T15:54:14Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > If the Bennets lived in Maryland, they wouldn’t have all the continuity crap of people getting from Claire’s house to Prima/Hurst all the time. But I think the show likes to film something in Calif that is actually suppose to be California. My thoughts exactly. I think they needed a high school for season 2. I just had a thought (mark the date.) We know Noah is working both sides (like usual). Is there any chance he could be Rebel? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/24 "2009-02-24T15:59:16Z")
Parkman is the one whos supposed to blow up. One of his drawings was him strapped with a ton of dynamite, another one was just a stick of dynamite, so i guess its just an old fashioned kind of explosion. Also when Peter tells him hes not a murderer he points to the explosion drawing and says “how do you explain this then”. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/25 "2009-02-24T16:55:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > If Matt was reading Noah’s mind, why was everything not from his perspective, like inside John Malcovich’s mind in Being John Malcovich? Do you really want to watch twenty minutes of first person camera work? I can’t think of a single flash-back/memory sequence in any show that was shown in first person. This being the Dope, though, some one will be along shortly with three examples, two from shows I watch reqularly. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/26 "2009-02-24T17:26:56Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Just Peter, I think. Nathan was on schmooze patrol in DC. That’s what I thought, at first, but… Building 26: in DC? Noah looking for an apartment: in Costa Verde? motel: in Costa Verde Noah’s locker: in Costa Verde? Hunter Dude’s lonely empty house: in DC? Hunter Dude, having just got shot, debriefing Noah while they walk to his car to be driven home: DC? Costa Verde? Noah goes to talk to Angela in the park: wait, where are we again??? Also: Hunter Dude has Claire and Nathan under surveilance. _And_ knows Peter has powers, _and_ knows about Pinehurst. But he doesn’t have _Angela_ followed, to notice her clandestine meetings with Noah?? (whom he also doesn’t trust, and has under surveilance). ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/27 "2009-02-24T18:43:18Z")
Whose clandestine meetings take place 30 seconds after the meeting with hunter-dude. I mean, seriously, in the same shot. Hey Noah: Just because you don’t make eye contact doesn’t mean people watching you can’t figure out that you’re sitting down on a park bench with Mrs. Petrelli. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/28 "2009-02-25T00:36:49Z")
I’m glad that they finally got around to saying what happened to Daphe. Speaking of Daphe, a while back, in possible future land, she and Matt had a baby. And Matt had a kid already, and refered to the baby as “your sister” when speaking to the girl. Where’s the kid now? Boarding school or something? As for the Hunter, does anyone have special powers that could force someone to **not** to think of something? Because that, or borderline retardation, is only plausable explaination for why it’s not obvious that he knows Nathan is super too. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/29 "2009-02-25T01:25:17Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I’m glad that they finally got around to saying what happened to Daphe. Speaking of Daphe, a while back, in possible future land, she and Matt had a baby. And Matt had a kid already, and refered to the baby as “your sister” when speaking to the girl. Where’s the kid now? Boarding school or something? That’s Molly, who he adopted (?) At the start of the season he mentioned sending her away somewhere to be safe, but he didn’t specify where. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/30 "2009-02-25T08:33:29Z")
Looks like I’m delivering a minority report this week because I thought this was all great - best ep in ages. It’s now back in the world of engaging silliness rather than maddening silliness that had me shouting “GAH!” at my screen in exasperation. Stuff that was enjoyable in this vein was stuff like Angela turning up to her park bench seeekret rendezvous with Noah, wearing giant sunglassses just like a REAL spy. Bless! I gave her points for that and for speaking her lines out the corner of her mouth and to the general air in front of her rather than, say chatting like a normal person but there’s so much more she could be doing here. To be _really_ throwing herself into the role, I recommend buying a trench coat and turning the collar up and cutting out eyeholes in her newspaper to peer through. Also beginning all conversations with “The ducks fly north to Moscow” or similar. I liked her present of the watch - even her nice gestures have an element of “screw you” to them. That drugging Bennet thing bugged me - how on earth did they manage to do that under Bennet and the bartender’s nose? I was expecting her to tear off a wig and latex mask to reveal she was Matt all along, Charlie’s Angels-style or something. Still, I loved Benent gleefully playing divide and rule with Matt & Mohinder. his “Yes WHY didn’t you tell him, Mohinder??” in those sad, wounded tones was hilarious - Jack Coleman is awesome and reminded me why he is 30% of my reason for watching this show. I could live without the future paintings - I agree these are really, really tired (as is the other characters continued doubting of their veracity) but elsewhere I thought things had actually moved for our gang. I liked Bennet realising that his past endless banging on about whatever bad stuff he does, he does for Claire was all along something of a pious self justification and that actually he just plain likes being a spy. I think that’s progress. I thought Angela and Bennet joyfully contemplating a future of generally playing both sides off against the other was a joy. I am enjoying Danko the Hunter as, despite the glaring failing as outlined by **Annie** for not figuring out Nathan has powers too, he actually seems to have a brain. This makes him a real threat to people like Peter and Nathan who seem increasingly powered by the cognitive equivalent of sawdust. Poor Nathan - every week he seems that little bit more doomed - they can do what they like to try and make him developing that dumb plan all they like, the best that they can do is present him as a well meaning idiot. And that’s really more Peter’s role. As an aside, the actor playing the hunter is pretty tiny, isn’t he? Whenever he has to talk to Jack Coleman there seems to be nearly two foot worth of height difference. Oh and all this plus no Sylar, no Luke, no Claire and no Hiro? Hell, this may actually have been one of my favorite ever episodes 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/31 "2009-02-25T15:26:10Z")
I have to watch it again, but what we saw of Danko was interesting. G-man instead of Company Man: he gets the file on the new targets around the first of the month, and by Friday he has fully embraced the mission-Specials Are A Menace And A Threat To Our Way Of Life- basically on the say so of Nathan (and ok, maybe the Sylar file) Thus a bunch of regular goobers go from being citizens to targets. The guy seems to be a model for ideal employee engagement. If you can convince NBC you live in the US **Promethea** , watch the commentary on the episode-it’s by Coleman and Ramamurthy. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/32 "2009-02-25T18:07:34Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > If you can convince NBC you live in the US **Promethea** , watch the commentary on the episode-it’s by Coleman and Ramamurthy. Alas, I never CAN persuade NBC I’m a US citizen no matter how much of a fake online accent I sport, **Annie**. I suspect I’m just terminally technologically inept. The online commentaries are a distant, tantalising siren call, therefore and I have to wait to get 'em on the DVDs. I am guessing this week’s was pretty entertaining? Those two are generally good value. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/33 "2009-02-25T19:29:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > That’s Molly, who he adopted (?) At the start of the season he mentioned sending her away somewhere to be safe, but he didn’t specify where. Please, what happened to Matt’s (now ex) wife who was pregnant? > [@Promethea](#): > > That drugging Bennet thing bugged me - how on earth did they manage to do that under Bennet and the bartender’s nose? Peter learned how to be invisible from the character who was Noah’s partner before the Haitian {the actor who also played Dr Who in the first season}. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/34 "2009-02-25T19:36:46Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > Please, what happened to Matt’s (now ex) wife who was pregnant? She cheated on him, the child wasn’t his and she ended up leaving him after the first season. > [@](#): > > Peter learned how to be invisible from the character who was Noah’s partner before the Haitian {the actor who also played Dr Who in the first season}. Peter doesn’t have any of those powers anymore, he now only keeps whichever power he absorbed last, currently flight which seems to have come in pretty handy. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/35 "2009-02-25T20:01:53Z")
I’m sick with a cold today, and have been staring at my work (telecommuting) all morning. When I saw the tread title I thought it said **Herpes** (02/23/09) “Cold Wars”. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/36 "2009-02-25T20:34:17Z")
Does Peter have some control over which power he absorbs? From the bit in the airplane a few episodes ago, it would seem not - I mean, if you’re chained up and drugged in an airplane, I’m thinking you wouldn’t intentionally go for the cool-hand-luke thing, right? Assuming it’s whatever power he last touched, with no conscious thought, the scene outside the hotel room should have played out thus: ZOOOOOOM! GONNA RESCUE MY BUDDY! \ ZOooooo… {peter? you saved me!} SHIT! ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/37 "2009-02-25T20:35:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > She cheated on him, the child wasn’t his and she ended up leaving him after the first season. > > Peter doesn’t have any of those powers anymore, he now only keeps whichever power he absorbed last, currently flight which seems to have come in pretty handy. When he flew away with Parkman, how come he didn’t absorb Matt’s power and lose the flight power? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/38 "2009-02-25T20:39:04Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > When he flew away with Parkman, how come he didn’t absorb Matt’s power and lose the flight power? I assume he figured out how to do it at will? ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/39 "2009-02-25T21:56:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I assume he figured out how to do it at will? Maybe he’s like Rogue and it has to be flesh to flesh contact? ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049/40 "2009-02-25T22:13:48Z")
> [@Promethea](#): > > Maybe he’s like Rogue and it has to be flesh to flesh contact? Don’t think so. Pretty sure that he got all of his recently copied powers by flesh to clothing contact. Tracey was head-to-toe covered, as far as I remember, and when he “zapped” Nathan to get flight his “zapping” hand was on Nathan’s clothed chest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-02-23-09-cold-wars/487049.md?page=3)