# Heroes 1/29 - "The Fix" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 29, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025 "2007-01-29T22:30:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/61 "2007-01-30T20:56:36Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] I don’t think it was intentional on the Haitian’s part. But it is known that someone suffering from severe retrograde amnesia will often have different favorite colors or taste in food. [/QUOTE] Let’s ask Sammy Jenkis. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/62 "2007-01-30T21:01:06Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I doubt Micah will face trouble for the ATMs. It showed that the money was taken out after PIN and after he designated/mind punched 500.00 dollars. I think that while he IS doing something wrong, he’s making it look ‘right’ to the point that there is really no proof. What would the camera show? [/QUOTE] … the lack of a card? … that the kid took out multiple lumps of $500, probably all from different accounts, or, much worse, accounts that don’t exist? ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/63 "2007-01-30T21:24:14Z")
Micah couldn’t have gotten all that money from one ATM at a convenience store. I got the impression he had been going all over town to different machines, and that’s why he got home so late. I’m not sure if that increases or decreases the chances he’d get caught. Loved Hiro’s “GULP” and “This is the way we roll”. I also got a giggle out of Invisible Man’s “Fantastic!” ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/64 "2007-01-30T21:29:12Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] I think NBC is losing eyeballs to 24. As it is now, I watch 24 and tape Heroes. (Rating’s dont transfer for time shifted programing) [/QUOTE] I think Heroes as a stronger first seasn than LOST had. It more straight forward, without lacking the mystery. Prison Break seems to be losing momentum though. I haven’t seen a new thread this week, even though Haywire’s back. On edit: Why did I bring LOST into the equation? I read your post, couldn’t make sense of it, because I read “24” as “LOST”. Why are Mondays so damn crowded. If I were a network PD, I’d exploit a less obvious time slot. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/65 "2007-01-30T21:33:16Z")
[QUOTE=Dooku] My WAG there is that AED’s been involved with the supers for a while now, accidentally fell in love with Claire’s real mom and had a child and tried to keep it from the bosses, and then the bosses for some reason ordered him to destroy the wife and daughter, but he saved them both in secret, which is why he’s so protective of Claire’s gift, and why Syler is such a threat to him personally. [/QUOTE] Anything’s possible, but the fact that Claire’s mother is some kind of firestarter and Claire was supposedly to have died in a fire leads me to think differently. AED stated to someone that things got out of hand with Claire’s parents and they died, didn’t he? Maybe AED was trying to apprehend them and Meredith started the fire while attempting to defend herself and her family. She thought Claire perished in the fire because she didn’t know about her ability. AED finds this child in the wreckage somehow and one thing leads to another. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/66 "2007-01-30T21:46:07Z")
[QUOTE=Meeko] Anyone else put off by the fact that Claire can remember her ability, and that she knows Zack, but seems to be selective elsewhere? [/QUOTE] Not at all, because the Haitian never mindwiped her. She’s pretending that she can’t remember and not doing the best job of it which incidentally I love because it’s nice to see a super-powered teenager who isn’t “super powers = infallability.” She’s trying to be careful not to tip off AED that she remembers. And I loved loved _loved_ that she went out and got the manatee book to bolster her cover story. That was such a great touch. ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/67 "2007-01-30T21:47:23Z")
[QUOTE=Enderw24] I’m thinking Mr. Lenderman must be Jewish. And his special power is the ability to rapidly boil rings of dough and then freeze them. [/QUOTE] \ ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/68 "2007-01-30T21:54:25Z")
[QUOTE=Ethilrist] … the lack of a card? … that the kid took out multiple lumps of $500, probably all from different accounts, or, much worse, accounts that don’t exist? [/QUOTE] What is the camera recording? I don’t think the camera takes screenshots. Did Micah fake putting a card in? Further, how slow would the plot be … to court scene Micah? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/69 "2007-01-30T22:06:34Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] And…this show has two teenagers who are just friends, so I’m completely mystified as to what your objection is to having one or the other of them be gay. [/QUOTE] I honestly can’t remember- what references towards Zach’s sexuality has the series actually shown us? I remember a popular girl making some sort of insinuation towards him being gay, but that’s hardly indicative- “fag” and the like are common insults for people who just don’t fit in. The best way to unnerve a straight teenager is to say he’s gay- I certainly heard it often enough when I was a lad, and I’m so straight it’s boring. They clearly showed us that he was an outsider, but as far as I can remember, the best indication that he was gay was found outside the series- his MySpace profile said he was “undecided”. It seems to me that the creators were deliberately leaving it vague. Personally, it wouldn’t bother me at all if he turned out to be gay- but equally, it doesn’t bother me if they’re now saying he’s straight. The Human Genome Project being the explanation for how Mohinder’s dad found all the Heroes bugs me much, much more. ---
**Author:** ![Priam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/77aa72/32.png) [@Priam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Priam)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/70 "2007-01-30T22:06:45Z")
If Micah can hack into an ATM and make it dispense all the money it has, why the hell wouldn’t he be able to wipe the camera as well? He seems able to tinker with any piece of gadget, not just electronics, so the only things they’d be able to get on him would be witness testimony and possibly fingerprints. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/71 "2007-01-30T22:07:04Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] If you ever capture people who speak in a different language than the one they expect you to speak, don’t reveal you can speak that language just for dramatic effect. I mean, they might plan their escape in their native language, or discuss some secret that you’d want to know, and you just blew it. (This has happened on tv and movies at least 200 times) [/QUOTE] Good grief, you are absolutely correct in this observation fellow. Is akin to letting the enemy know you captured one of their Enigma machines just so you can exclaim “Oh snap!” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/72 "2007-01-30T22:13:27Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] I honestly can’t remember- what references towards Zach’s sexuality has the series actually shown us? I remember a popular girl making some sort of insinuation towards him being gay, but that’s hardly indicative- “fag” and the like are common insults for people who just don’t fit in. The best way to unnerve a straight teenager is to say he’s gay- I certainly heard it often enough when I was a lad, and I’m so straight it’s boring. They clearly showed us that he was an outsider, but as far as I can remember, the best indication that he was gay was found outside the series- his MySpace profile said he was “undecided”. It seems to me that the creators were deliberately leaving it vague. Personally, it wouldn’t bother me at all if he turned out to be gay- but equally, it doesn’t bother me if they’re now saying he’s straight. The Human Genome Project being the explanation for how Mohinder’s dad found all the Heroes bugs me much, much more. [/QUOTE] His sexuality never occurred to me until I read it here. What someone may or may not have intended in meaningless if it never made to tape. I would be perfectly happy if they didn’t mention it either way. I just don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/73 "2007-01-30T22:35:01Z")
They were talking about who likes who or something and he said “You don’t know the half of it” and quite vehemently denied liking Claire, but not in the I like you but am over-denying it way. That’s inconclusive, but at the time one valid interpretation was that he was gay. ---
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/74 "2007-01-30T22:47:08Z")
FWIW, didn’t a couple of Claire’s cheerleader friends call him gay in different scenes, although he usually just rolled his eyes at them neither confirming or denying at the time. Maybe this is how the “rumor” got started? Whatever. Maybe he’s just curious, like we all are. 🙂 Niki storyline sucks ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/75 "2007-01-30T22:49:00Z")
[QUOTE=Tupug Anachi] Am I dreaming? For some reason I’m thinking there was a spoof on the Beatle’s “When I’m 64.” [/QUOTE] Yup, right alongside a powers-of-2 joke. “I’ll love you when you’re 16, or 32, or 64” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/76 "2007-01-30T22:57:21Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] Mr Bennett is always so confident even when Haitian guy isn’t around that I think he must have something else going for him. Remember when he put on some glasses and he could see Sylar in the glasses. Perhaps they were special hi-tech glasses but then again maybe his power also has something to do with his vision? [/QUOTE] I agree. I’ve always wondered why he’s so sure of himself around supers. It could be he’s just used to them, or it could Haitian, or he’s got some other ace up his sleeve. OTOH, he’s been near Peter and he’s been near Sylar and neither had picked anything up from him. OTOOH, Haitian was always around. Hm. [QUOTE=Otto] Well, no, he doesn’t automatically have powers because Claire does, because not everyone in the history of the world had powers so someone had to be the first in a particular lineage. There is absolutely no reason to think that AED has powers _just because Claire does_. [/QUOTE] I got the impression earlier in the show the reason AED started researching people with powers was because he was the man on the scene when Claire’s parents’ powers went nutso. I can’t point to any specific bit of dialogue but I always felt the show was telling us Claire is the offspring of super powered parents, and not just a parent. However, I also now get the feeling the writers have changed direction on a few things since the show premiered. From what I remember, they hadn’t finished filming the whole season when it first started and when the show became a hit they made some changes for the end of the season. Were Eccleston and Takei supposed to join the cast originally? So who knows what the details of her biological parents are now. [QUOTE=gigi] I saw the blurb about that; they had originally written him as gay but then wanted to make him a Claire love interest. :rolleyes: But that there will be other gay character(s) whose sexuality just hasn’t come up yet. So, Hiro and Ando? I fell asleep halfway through but they seemed to exchange some meaningful glances. [/QUOTE] I originally doubted Zach would turn out gay. Too daring. Then I found out he was and was impressed. Now I’m disappointed. Especially now we’ve learned Claire is only 15. When the heck did that happen? I could have sworn these kids were seniors in high school and getting ready to graduate or something. So now we get teenaged romance? How boring. I much preferred super girl with gay sidekick. I’m intrigued with the idea of there being another gay character though. I wonder who? Definitely not Hiro and Ando. Hiro loved Charlie and Ando watches Niki’s porn site. My vote would be Peter. He just seems gay. Never gonna happen though. He loves Simone and he’s central to the show. Sylar could be gay. Why not? Oh, we can’t have the bad guy be gay. I’m guessing they’ll introduce a new disposable character sometime later. Maybe season five. [QUOTE=Lightnin’] I honestly can’t remember- what references towards Zach’s sexuality has the series actually shown us? [/QUOTE] After the other cheerleader accused Zach of being gay and Claire and Zach were in Claire’s bedroom she said something about that not making a difference and Zach said something like “that doesn’t bother me, I’m comfortable with who I am.” It wasn’t a confirmation but he wasn’t denying anything either. I think if I were a straight teenaged boy sitting in the bedroom with my hot cheerleader best friend I’d eagerly confirm my heterosexuality. Then again, maybe I wouldn’t. “She totally digs having a gay best friend. Let’s snuggle!” [QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] The travails of the single father have been done to death. Is this _Heroes_ or the _Courtship of Eddie’s Father_? DL busts in to prison so that they can reveal to us … that Niki thinks she needs to remain in prison and DL and Micah need her! Wow. I don’t think we’d gotten that message yet. Come on. Let’s get going already. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I love all the characters on this show but these three are really straining it. I’m trying sooo hard to get into this little super family. I meant to ask last week, how did DL get out of all his criminal charges? He gave the money back to Linderman so every thing’s cool there but what about breaking out of prison? Does Linderman own the _entire_ criminal justice system around Las Vegas? And DL can phase his clothes, right? C’mon DL. Try a little harder and phase Niki out of jail. You can do it. Oh wait, we have to let Oprah work with her on this Jessica problem. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/77 "2007-01-30T22:57:39Z")
When AED was talking to the doctor working on Sylar, did he say "our instructions are to . . . " or "your instructions are to . . "? I thought I heard him say “our instructions” which would indicate there is someone else running things. I supposed the obvious choice would be Linderman. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/78 "2007-01-30T23:01:17Z")
He said “our instructions.” He’s mentioned his boss(es) before, too. When Eden offered to tell Sylar to kill himself, he said something like “that hasn’t been authorized.” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/79 "2007-01-30T23:05:11Z")
[QUOTE=lilflower] When AED was talking to the doctor working on Sylar, did he say "our instructions are to . . . " or "your instructions are to . . "? I thought I heard him say “our instructions” which would indicate there is someone else running things. I supposed the obvious choice would be Linderman. [/QUOTE] I don’t know if he said it then I would have to go look but he definately said he is not the big boss a couple of times. It was not his decision to keep Sylar alive and he said so at least a couple of times. Or you could just read friedo’s post. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2007, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025/80 "2007-01-30T23:12:11Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Yeah, I love all the characters on this show but these three are really straining it. I’m trying sooo hard to get into this little super family. I meant to ask last week, how did DL get out of all his criminal charges? He gave the money back to Linderman so every thing’s cool there but what about breaking out of prison? Does Linderman own the _entire_ criminal justice system around Las Vegas? And DL can phase his clothes, right? C’mon DL. Try a little harder and phase Niki out of jail. You can do it. Oh wait, we have to let Oprah work with her on this Jessica problem. [/QUOTE] I don’t see the reason for all the hate. I don’t find them the most compelling characters but not the least either. That would be schlubman, I mean Parkman. As to your questions. Niki copped to all the serious charges such as mass-murder. That would leave DL escaping from jail where he was for crimes he didn’t commit. That wouldn’t be too hard to smooth over with Linderman’s money and influence. They got the killer. Keeping an otherwise innocent single father in jail wouldn’t look good. Also Niki doesn’t want to get out. She is afraid of what she could do to her family as Jessica. Thats why she gave up in the first place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-1-29-the-fix-spoilers/390025.md?page=5)