# Heroes 10/15/07 - "The Kindness of Strangers" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841 "2007-10-15T21:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Geobabe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/geobabe/32/3908_2.png) [@Geobabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geobabe)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/101 "2007-10-16T21:11:09Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Presumably the medical conclusion, since there was no one visible in the room with her, is that they are self-inflicted. [/QUOTE] That was my interpretation, too; there was no other explanation that they could give the doctors. She wasn’t about to tell them she was attacked by psychic powers, nor would they have believed her. > [@](#): > > Matt does not believe that she killed Papa Sulu. She told him mentally that her confession was the only way to keep “them” from finding out “what we can do.” And I found that interesting–there’s been lots of speculation on whether she has a power, and this confirms it, though it’s still unclear precisely what it is. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/102 "2007-10-16T21:21:26Z")
[QUOTE=Geobabe] And I found that interesting–there’s been lots of speculation on whether she has a power, and this confirms it, though it’s still unclear precisely what it is. [/QUOTE] No it doesn’t. She knows Matt is a telepath and she puts the thoughts she wants him to hear in the front of her mind, just like when she told him to “Get out of my head!” I’d say it is still inconclusive, though I’m leaning towards no powers. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/103 "2007-10-16T21:21:54Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] He wants Suresh to make him better again, to make him Sylar again. [/QUOTE] Which would be quite the feat, since Sylar bashed Chandra Suresh’s head in about ten months ago. > [@scotandrsn](#): > > Honestly, I don’t know what peoples’ problem is with thinking the unseen killer is Claude. I’m not sure which unseen killer you mean. If you’re talking about the person who killed Papa Sulu, then s/he wasn’t unseen. S/he was quite visible before and during the bum rush off the roof. Which argues against its being Claude, because even if Claude for whatever reason wanted Papa Sulu to know it was him, how would he do that while concealing his face and why after allowing Papa Sulu to figure out who he was would he stay visible during the bum rush? If you’re talking about the person who attacked Angela, then the reason it’s not Claude is, because unless Claude can make himself intangible, there is no way that he could continue the attack on Angela while Matt and Nathan were in close quarters. They were simply too close to her at the precinct for there to have been a tangible person of Claude’s size working her over. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/104 "2007-10-16T21:24:06Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] I’d say it is still inconclusive, though I’m leaning towards no powers. [/QUOTE] I’m leaning slightly toward “power” myself, which is a reversal of my position last season when I was firmly in the “no power” camp. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/105 "2007-10-16T21:29:33Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Which would be quite the feat, since Sylar bashed Chandra Suresh’s head in about ten months ago. [/quote] After the whole sword through the gut thing, he’s still a little woozy on the fine points - Mohinder, Chandra, what’s the difference? (besides the hair). It’s not like Gabriel would ever intentionally lie to someone to get their aid. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![DustyButt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DustyButt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DustyButt)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/106 "2007-10-16T21:42:13Z")
Maybe I’m missing something but I detect a repeating of certain superpower themes… Flying: Nathan, West Healing: Linderman, Claire, Kensei Atomic/Field Manipulation: The Toaster Melter (killed by Sylar), Sprague, Bob the Alchemist, Micah (arguably), InvisibleMan Psycic: Candice, Parkman & Son, Mama Patrelli, Shaft (I can’t recall his character’s name), The Black Eyed Twins, Jessica Time/Space: Hiro, FuturePainter (arguably) Enhanced Learning/Teaching: Charlie, Sylar, Peter (arguably), Nawlins, Keito Nakamura (arguably but more likely time manipulation) Enhanced Physical Ability: MiracleEar (killed by Sylar), Nikki Most of these abilities have an original Justice League member and an abductee. Do you think the Justice League was trying to clone themselves due to their age? I’m willing to bet Kensei is still alive due to his powers. I think Linderman got old because he could heal others but not himself. The real Bad Guy is probably some genetic Monster that got out of control. Sylar will save everyone and kill it at the end of this season, and go back to being the bad guy next season. That’s my early prediction. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/107 "2007-10-16T21:49:33Z")
Angela Petrelli seems like she might have some power of influence, but more subtle than… uh… big ear girl. Eden? They do audio manipulations of her voice sometimes when she’s speaking (and in this episode, her mental voice, IIRC), which could be a cue that she’s using her power. She’s also been quite the manipulator at various times in the show - I can’t think of a specific instance, but hasn’t she talked people into drastically changing their minds? Nathan, multiple times, with the whole blow up New York thing, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![scotandrsn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@scotandrsn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scotandrsn)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2007, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/108 "2007-10-16T22:54:36Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] …I’m not sure which unseen killer you mean. If you’re talking about the person who killed Papa Sulu, then s/he wasn’t unseen. S/he was quite visible before and during the bum rush off the roof. Which argues against its being Claude, because even if Claude for whatever reason wanted Papa Sulu to know it was him, how would he do that while concealing his face and why after allowing Papa Sulu to figure out who he was would he stay visible during the bum rush? If you’re talking about the person who attacked Angela, then the reason it’s not Claude is, because unless Claude can make himself intangible, there is no way that he could continue the attack on Angela while Matt and Nathan were in close quarters. They were simply too close to her at the precinct for there to have been a tangible person of Claude’s size working her over. [/QUOTE] All reasonable enough, but IMO it assumes a level of attention to detail that has not been consistently in evidence on this show. ETA: Oh, and by unseen, I meant AFTER the fall from the roof. Most assume the killer left by some means. I allow the possibility that they did not. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/109 "2007-10-17T01:11:17Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] She’s also been quite the manipulator at various times in the show - I can’t think of a specific instance, but hasn’t she talked people into drastically changing their minds? Nathan, multiple times, with the whole blow up New York thing, for instance. [/QUOTE] We had this meme keep cropping up last season. Yes, Angela kept putting her hands all over Nathan, and arguing that he should do what she wanted him to do. Time and again, he agreed with her – and then did whatever it was that _he_ wanted to do. She also tried arguing with Peter. No luck there, either. So, unless her power is to convince people to do the things they were going to do anyway, doubtful that is her power. It is probably the dream-visions power that Peter has displayed a few times – he had to have empathed it off of someone, and either Angela or Mr. Deveaux are really the only candidates for it. Since Mr. Deveaux had some sort of power that allowed him to realize that Peter was on the Rooftop Of Blue Sadness in the past, I’m thinking the dream-visions thing is probably momma’s. ---
**Author:** ![WaryEri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ea666f/32.png) [@WaryEri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WaryEri)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/110 "2007-10-17T04:43:40Z")
The going wild-ass theory in my household is that the oddly blurred Arthur Petrelli in the photo looks a little like Kensei. Powers skipping a generation? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/111 "2007-10-17T05:11:05Z")
So Bob the Alchemist’s last name was rather deliberately not mentioned. Ten to one that his surname will be a significant revelationary twist. I’ve merged together all the images of the photo to [make one picture](http://www.flickr.com/photos/7403998@N05/1594644811/). ---
**Author:** ![Pel2na](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Pel2na](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pel2na)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/112 "2007-10-17T05:52:24Z")
Another wild-ass theory. If the signs of old age all result from some breakdown in the physical system, and if the healing/regenerative powers exhibited by Claire, Peter, and now Kensei instantly detect any breakdown in the physical system and repair it to it’s healthy state, then those three characters are, as long as they have their power intact, functionally immortal. Which would put Kensei into the Prime Suspect spot. Questionable morality, similar structure, someone Papa N would recognize, and escapability after the drop. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/113 "2007-10-17T05:59:57Z")
[QUOTE=Carnick] If I had that power I’d watch a ton of poker shows. [/QUOTE] Bingo. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/114 "2007-10-17T06:01:23Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] I missed the last 15 minutes or so. From where the Haitian said Odessa, Russia. Spoil? [/QUOTE] I believe he said Odessa, Texas. One of the most awful smells I’ve ever experienced was near Odessa. A mixture of oil refinery and cowshit. You can’t imagine. In other news, no-one has mentioned that the group photo was apparently taken on the Inexplicably Blue Roof so I thought I’d point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/115 "2007-10-17T07:29:33Z")
[QUOTE=Rich Mann] I believe he said Odessa, Texas. One of the most awful smells I’ve ever experienced was near Odessa. A mixture of oil refinery and cowshit. You can’t imagine. [/QUOTE] The Haitian said “Odessa” to which Bennet asked “Texas?” and Haitian responded “Ukraine”. I wonder if Odessa, Ukraine also has a Primatech Paper. Definitely the best episode this season due to a manageable number of characters and the better actors at that (minus Bad Charo and her enabling brother). A few plotholes, though, one already mentioned (the “can’t find service jobs in New Orleans” one). Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense for the Bennets to (with complete legality) homeschool their kids? So many people do it today it wouldn’t raise eyebrows, and Mr. Muggles would love the company. I don’t think the woman in the photo is Nichelle “my character has nothing to do but it’s free money on a hit show” Nichols’ character. May be Devoe’s daughter, though (name eludes me at the moment), or perhaps she’s Hispanic and a tie-in to either the twins or Isaac Mendez. (Odd is that none of the uber-elite uber-secret uber-selective international societies I’ve belonged to have posed for group photos, but then we all want to drop a few pounds first.) Evidently Matt’s wife’s baby daddy was determined in the past 4 months. If he’s telling the truth, which there’s no reason to doubt. Anybody else hear the theme to “Let your Soul Glooooooooooooo…” when they see Micah’s hair? Or hear “[I’m Just a Human Being](http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q)” when Cousin was with the burger manager? ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/116 "2007-10-17T13:06:25Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Anybody else hear the theme to “Let your Soul Glooooooooooooo…” when they see Micah’s hair? Or hear “[I’m Just a Human Being](http://youtube.com/watch?v=CKhYoeC-X-Q)” when Cousin was with the burger manager? [/QUOTE] Dunno, in my head, the Lionel Richie soundtrack is on loop whenever he enters the frame. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/117 "2007-10-17T13:49:49Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] (Odd is that none of the uber-elite uber-secret uber-selective international societies I’ve belonged to have posed for group photos, but then we all want to drop a few pounds first.) [/QUOTE] Amateur. All the best secret societies have group photos taken, so the police can use them years later to track down our mysterious killers. Seriously, the photo gave me a Crimebusters from Watchmen vibe. Anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/118 "2007-10-17T18:17:14Z")
Was/Is that Kensei on the bottom right? They showed Nathan’s doppleganger again. Hmm? Who else do we know who has a mirror double? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/119 "2007-10-17T18:33:13Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Who else do we know who has a mirror double? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Well, at least if he ever meets her they can go on a double date, and then write a children’s book called _Micah Has Two Mommies and Three Daddies_. ---
**Author:** ![Promethea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Promethea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Promethea)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841/120 "2007-10-17T18:42:21Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Well, at least if he ever meets her they can go on a double date, and then write a children’s book called _Micah Has Two Mommies and Three Daddies_. [/QUOTE] Or maybe they can just rent space in a church basement in which they set up a support group for alcoholics who are being stalked by their own Evil Mirror image. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-15-07-the-kindness-of-strangers-spoilers/422841.md?page=7)