# Heroes 10/20/08 "Dying of the Light" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2008, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830 "2008-10-21T01:22:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/41 "2008-10-22T01:50:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I don’t see a lot of erotic potential in PM’s ability, myself. Let’s just say she wouldn’t be eating soup. > [@](#): > > Heck, wasn’t Noah executing people left and right in the first two seasons? Is he getting soft? Well, except for that time he was going to shoot Nathan with the Haitian standing next to him, but instead Nathan flew up into the air and went supersonic. I guess the Haitian was having an off day, power-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/42 "2008-10-22T01:52:58Z")
Board ate my post. Try again. Hiro has now been knocked unconscious three times in 24 hours, twice within a few minutes. He should really go to a hospital. What’s the point of _threatening_ a dangerous bad guy with a taser? Go ahead and tase him at first opportunity. Guy deserved a bullet in the melon. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/43 "2008-10-22T01:53:59Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Well, except for that time he was going to shoot Nathan with the Haitian standing next to him, but instead Nathan flew up into the air and went supersonic. I guess the Haitian was having an off day, power-wise. Can’t believe that never occurred to me, all this time. Was that before they established what the Haitian does? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/44 "2008-10-22T03:30:15Z")
Just a thought… When Hiro was planning his fake Ando stab thing (finally, a clever use of his powers! Shame he didn’t keep it up…) he swapped the real sword for the trick sword. Okay, fair enough. Except he _left the real sword in the fake sword’s place!_ I see some innocent shopkeep facing a lawsuit/a few fewer fingers in the near future… ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/45 "2008-10-22T03:34:19Z")
hmmmm I was all over this Ep last week I called the fake sword blood bags I saw the shovel thing coming (both times) a mile off I saw dads powers (peter/sylar are a bit of a give away) heres the one thing I hate…Peter CANT DIE (well now maybe he can but thats not what this is about) why doesnt Sylar take peters power…his root power…then he would be just like peter, no more brains required. Sylar definitely has Peter beat in the badass department, hes only killed a few dozen people. with Peters power he would seriously kick ass. as for killing Sylar/Peter/Claire I dont really see as thats much of a problem for Noah, knock them out, drop them in a coffin, drill some big nasty bolts directly through them and the coffin then dump the whole thing in the Marianas trench. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/46 "2008-10-22T03:59:48Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Let’s just say she wouldn’t be eating soup. Yeah, but it’s not like he can turn her into a sex slave. She can only act under his direct control. After a while, wouldn’t this get boring for him? > [@](#): > > except for that time he was going to shoot Nathan with the Haitian standing next to him, but instead Nathan flew up into the air and went supersonic. I guess the Haitian was having an off day, power-wise. I guess I was too blown away by the coolness of that scene - the Haitian inconsistency never even occurred to me. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/47 "2008-10-22T04:08:40Z")
It just occurred to me that now Arthur has Sylar’s powers. Mmmmmm… BRaaaaaaiins… ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/48 "2008-10-22T04:57:32Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, but it’s not like he can turn her into a sex slave. She can only act under his direct control. After a while, wouldn’t this get boring for him? I imagine it would, which might be part of why he was saying he’d make her love him. Sure, it’s a fun power trip to control everything a person does, but it would’ve been more satisfying for him if he didn’t have to use his power to do it. I poked around on YouTube to try to find a clip of when Nathan flew away from Noah and the Haitian. When he flew, the Haitian was not even three feet away from him. It looks like he was about to reach out and physically grab him. There’s even a storyboard of it [here](http://heroeswiki.com/Storyboards#Nathan_Flying). From his interactions with Parkman, it had already been established that he nullified powers, though he wasn’t able to stop the telepathy entirely because of how “advanced” Parkman was. That may be the loophole allowing that particular flight. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/49 "2008-10-22T04:57:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I guess I was too blown away by the coolness of that scene - the Haitian inconsistency never even occurred to me. I got the impression that the Haitian has some control over his ability to dampen powers, and that he was choosing to let Nathan get away in that scene. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/50 "2008-10-22T05:28:46Z")
I noticed Haitian’s power inconsistency back then. Haitian also needed night vision goggles to see Peter and Claude on the roof when they shouldn’t have been invisible when Haitian was nearby. I agree Hiro should just freeze time when he gets the slightest suspicious feeling, but going after African-Isaac “the old-fashioned way” didn’t make any sense either. The guy knows what you’re going to do, no matter how many ways you can think up to do it. What lesson is there in that? I liked the episode though, and I’m perfectly okay with good Sylar. I’m not okay with powerless Peter. He (and Hiro) was ineffectual enough with powers. He’s just going to irritate me now. Parkman has shown he can best his dad, so I hope he senses his dad soon, and they can have another psi-fight. I don’t like Papa Petrelli. If he had the ability to steal powers, why did he wait until now to start gobbling? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/51 "2008-10-22T05:39:45Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t like Papa Petrelli. If he had the ability to steal powers, why did he wait until now to start gobbling? Well, I could buy that up until he dusted Adam, he was suffering from some critical injury that kept him paralyzed and on life support. Of course, why he needed Adam specifically and not Claire (or Peter or Sylar) is about as comprehensible as anything else about this show, i.e. not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/52 "2008-10-22T05:48:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, I could buy that up until he dusted Adam, he was suffering from some critical injury that kept him paralyzed and on life support. Of course, why he needed Adam specifically and not Claire (or Peter or Sylar) is about as comprehensible as anything else about this show, i.e. not at all. Well, Claire is his granddaughter and he probably didn’t want to harm her. If he only wanted to be healed he could have just used Adam’s blood but he obviously wanted Adam’s power to keep healing and making himself somewhat indestructible. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/53 "2008-10-22T10:13:25Z")
I think Daddy Petrelli was just neutering Peter, who could have been a thorn in his side. I’m also going out on a limb and guessing that he only absorbed Peter’s original power, not all of them. That seems to be how they write the show. As for Adam, I’m guessing Adam was another threat. Remember Bob said that Linderman was one of Adam’s disciples. Adam had his own plan. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/54 "2008-10-22T10:25:35Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I think Daddy Petrelli was just neutering Peter, who could have been a thorn in his side. I’m also going out on a limb and guessing that he only absorbed Peter’s original power, not all of them. That seems to be how they write the show. He did an electro-fizzle in his hand after absorbing, though, so I think he’s got all of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/55 "2008-10-22T12:12:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I guess I was too blown away by the coolness of that scene - the Haitian inconsistency never even occurred to me. \*\*Warning: \*\* Fan-wank ahead: Maybe the Haitian’s power nullifying power only works on “natural” powers. Nathan, Niki, and Tracy all have given formula-provided powers. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/56 "2008-10-22T12:59:44Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > \*\*Warning: \*\* Fan-wank ahead: > > Maybe the Haitian’s power nullifying power only works on “natural” powers. Nathan, Niki, and Tracy all have given formula-provided powers. Wasn’t Nathan running away (fuzzy memory here). Maybe he got out of the Haitian’s range? > [@Half Man Half Wit](#): > > He did an electro-fizzle in his hand after absorbing, though, so I think he’s got all of 'em. Ah well. I tried. Option B is that Daddy Petrelli’s transfer might not be permanent, but I’m reaching here. ---
**Author:** ![Risha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5fc32e/32.png) [@Risha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Risha)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/57 "2008-10-22T13:33:40Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I got the impression that the Haitian has some control over his ability to dampen powers, and that he was choosing to let Nathan get away in that scene. That was my reading as well. Wasn’t he semi-obviously working against the company at that point? ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/58 "2008-10-22T14:39:15Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Wasn’t Nathan running away (fuzzy memory here). Maybe he got out of the Haitian’s range? [No](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XoVmGgP_HU). ---
**Author:** ![teemingONE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b4bc9f/32.png) [@teemingONE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teemingONE)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/59 "2008-10-22T15:52:57Z")
I think The Haitian’s power have been shown to not work on people who have a high degree of control of their powers. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2008, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830/60 "2008-10-22T16:49:45Z")
I think the Haitian just got caught by surprise. His powers aren’t “always on”. I suspect that Peter will get his powers back by taking the formula, but I’m certain that he’ll get his powers back somehow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-20-08-dying-of-the-light/468830.md?page=4)