# Heroes 10/23 "Hiro's" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619 "2006-10-23T21:12:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/81 "2006-10-24T21:14:45Z")
What I want to know is why **Otto** is giving crazy nicknames to every character on the show while at the same time on a crusade to make sure we all spell Niki correctly. šŸ™‚ My favorite line of the episode: ā€œWhois database. You needā€¦unlist, maybe.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/82 "2006-10-24T21:31:25Z")
Niki need unlist **definitely**. I didnā€™t get DL and the windwipe guy mized up because the actor who plays DL (Leonard Roberts) used to be Forrest on _Buffy_, and played a disciple of Zod on _Smallville_. Clearly, you all needed to spend more time staring at the former WB. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/83 "2006-10-24T21:51:37Z")
I think ā€œHiroā€™sā€ is meant to be a plural of ā€œHiro.ā€ Maybe whoever did the title graphic realized that numbers & characters take _'s_ when pluralizing, but names donā€™t? Ooh, Lisa Lackey! In the episode where she first appeared, I saw her name in the credits, & looked for her, but didnā€™t recognize her as Mattā€™s wife. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/84 "2006-10-24T22:04:07Z")
[QUOTE=simster] How much you wanna bet that DL and the Eraser are brothers/cousinsā€¦ they look an awful lot alike. [/QUOTE] No, not really. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/85 "2006-10-24T22:08:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Bold speculation: Do we really know that Claireā€™s father and his sidekick are evil? He turned our view of him around a little tonight when he protected Claire. I donā€™t think heā€™s going to help Sylar add her brain to his growing collection. And while weā€™re at it, we donā€™t know that D.L. is villainous either. He could have been framed and had no way to explain himself without revealing his powers. I hit that theory myself last night. ā€œEvilā€ Dadā€™s behavior up to this episode was for the most part menacing, all he did to the psi-cop was check his physiology, make sure he couldnā€™t remember it, and then let him go. No brainwashing, no indefinite detention, just checking him out. That doesnā€™t make him a good guy, but I suspect heā€™s someone whoā€™s trying to prevent another Syler. And speaking of Syler, my favorite crazy theory that was handed to me this week is that Syler is actually the power absorber who learned that he can perminantly absorb powers by removing the brain, stole Hiroā€™s powers, and travelled back in time. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/86 "2006-10-24T22:12:01Z")
I wanna know what powers Nikiā€™s son has. If both she and her husband are ā€œspecialā€, youā€™d think that theyā€™d have passed on those genes to the kid. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/87 "2006-10-24T22:17:33Z")
[QUOTE=Charlie Tan] I actually like the work of Nostrapainter and wouldnā€™t mind having one of them in my living room. They give off a Lichtenstein vibe. [/QUOTE] The art is actually drawn by Tim Sale. I havenā€™t seen any credit to this effect, but Iā€™m quite sure itā€™s his work (_Billi 99_ is a favorite graphic novel of mine), & I saw his buddy Jeph Loebā€™s name in credits of one of the episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/88 "2006-10-24T22:19:26Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] I wanna know what powers Nikiā€™s son has. If both she and her husband are ā€œspecialā€, youā€™d think that theyā€™d have passed on those genes to the kid. [/QUOTE] I just wanted to pop in here and say ā€œOh Lord, Jesus No!ā€ re: the kid having powers. Thatā€™s an annoying little kid - and if he goes all Superman Returns on us, Iā€™m checking out on this show. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/89 "2006-10-24T22:23:14Z")
[QUOTE=foolsguinea] The art is actually drawn by Tim Sale. [/QUOTE] A friend of mine is sure itā€™s Tim Sale as well. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/90 "2006-10-24T22:24:46Z")
After reading this weekā€™s comic, Iā€™m convinced Nikiā€™s alter did the murders that DL went away for. Thereā€™s a few possible motives for why she did it, but why she (apparently) framed DL is even more questionable given what we learn about his personality in it. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/91 "2006-10-24T22:31:42Z")
[QUOTE=Tengu] After reading this weekā€™s comic, Iā€™m convinced Nikiā€™s alter did the murders that DL went away for. Thereā€™s a few possible motives for why she did it, but why she (apparently) framed DL is even more questionable given what we learn about his personality in it. [/QUOTE] How long ago were the murders again? I thought at the beginning of episode one the voiceover said something to the effect of ā€œin recent days, people with abilities have been emerging.ā€ Whatever it was, I got the impression people were just then getting powers. How long have Niki, DL & Son had powers? Weeks? Months? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/92 "2006-10-24T22:35:17Z")
You might want to prepare yourself, **Doctor**. I canā€™t imagine a story scenario in which the child of two powered parents is NOT going to have any kind of powers. ---
**Author:** ![holmes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e95f7d/32.png) [@holmes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/holmes)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/93 "2006-10-24T22:37:26Z")
[QUOTE=Tengu] After reading this weekā€™s comic, Iā€™m convinced Nikiā€™s alter did the murders that DL went away for. Thereā€™s a few possible motives for why she did it, but why she (apparently) framed DL is even more questionable given what we learn about his personality in it. [/QUOTE] My gut, DL noticed Niki2 acting strange and doing things that he didnā€™t want the child exposed to and warned her (Niki) to stop or heā€™ll take the kid. Niki doesnā€™t know what the hellā€™s going on but doesnā€™t want to lost the boy. Here comes Niki2 to solve the problem, she couldnā€™t attack DL directly, so a frame job is the next best thing. Assuming of course, Niki2ā€™s the one who planted the gunā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Who](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Doctor\_Who](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Who)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/94 "2006-10-24T22:48:01Z")
[QUOTE=cbawlmer] You might want to prepare yourself, **Doctor**. I canā€™t imagine a story scenario in which the child of two powered parents is NOT going to have any kind of powers. [/QUOTE] Iā€™ve been hoping heā€™s adopted. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/95 "2006-10-24T23:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] How long ago were the murders again? [/QUOTE] Just read the comic and answered my own question. Almost six months. Some people have had powers for at least that long, then. Not-so-EvilDad has probably been tracking people for awhile now, and could even be involved in framing DL. But for not-so-evil purposes. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/96 "2006-10-24T23:20:32Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] ā€¦How does saving the cheerleader save the world? Where does she live? At least give her name! Donā€™t leave it up to the drugged out artist to paint your exposition for you. Weā€™re talking about saving the world here. [/QUOTE] Iā€™d say that in that future timeline, a cheerleader was killed who could have save the world from its fate, but Hiro didnā€™t have any more information than what was found in the late Isaacā€™s paintings. Names and locations wouldnā€™t be included. Nathan landed at a remote diner, rather than going back into Las Vegas, because he didnā€™t want to be seen by hundreds or thousands of people flying around in his PJā€™s. alsoā€¦ Tim Sale was credited in at least one episode as an [artistic consultant](http://imdb.com/name/nm1348219/) and Wikipedia specifically notes that he did the paintings. An updated chart will be linked to soonā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/97 "2006-10-24T23:36:23Z")
[QUOTE=cbawlmer] You might want to prepare yourself, **Doctor**. I canā€™t imagine a story scenario in which the child of two powered parents is NOT going to have any kind of powers. [/QUOTE] Remember Quicksilver and Crystal? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2006, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/98 "2006-10-24T23:52:29Z")
[QUOTE=JThunder] Remember Quicksilver and Crystal? [/QUOTE] No, actually. Quicksilver is Magnetoā€™s son, right? I donā€™t know who Crystal is. Iā€™m not saying thereā€™s \*never \* been a story written about an unpowered child of two powered parents. Iā€™m just saying Iā€™d be surprised if they did that story on _this show_. Theyā€™ve already made the kid really smart and perceptive ā€“ maybe heā€™s going to grow into having a true superpower at some point. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/99 "2006-10-25T00:05:28Z")
[QUOTE=cbawlmer] Theyā€™ve already made the kid really smart and perceptive ā€“ maybe heā€™s going to grow into having a true superpower at some point. [/QUOTE] And maybe that _is_ his power- supra genius intelligence and heightened senses or intuition. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/100 "2006-10-25T00:06:54Z")
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