# Heroes 10/23 "Hiro's" (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 23, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619 "2006-10-23T21:12:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/141 "2006-10-25T20:14:17Z")
[QUOTE=running piglet cheese] TV Guide shows Heroes airing 10/30 at the regular time. [/QUOTE] Whew. I can climb down off the ledge then. I have no problem with Hiro’s inconsistent English skills. He studied English in school but never really used it much. We know future Hiro is fluent in English. He’s studied English before but never really got to practice it but now he’s in an English speaking environment. It’s perfectly normal for his English to improve in bursts, then suddenly stumble. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/142 "2006-10-25T20:23:03Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] Yeah, I’m not sure how useful it end up, but it was sure helpful for the first few episodes. Claire’s father said of both Claire and Nathan that he knows more about them then they know themselves. I’m curious how that will play out. [/QUOTE] Nathan’s father may be important history. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/143 "2006-10-25T20:27:10Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] Okay, here’s the dialogue between Future-Hiro and Peter in the subway. H: Peter Petrelli. P: What… Are you doing this? H: You look different without the scar. P: I don’t know you. H: Not yet. My name is Hiro Nakamura. I’m from the future. And I have a message for you. I don’t have much time. I’m risking a rift just by coming here. The girl. You have to save her. P: What girl? H: The cheerleader. It’s the only way to prevent it. P: Prevent what? H: …Everything. Listen to me. _She must live._ The painter: Isaac. Go to him. He will know. When I call you, you must tell me where we meet. P: … H: You told me many times how lost you felt…before it all started. This…is what you’ve been waiting for. Be the one we need. P: \ Wait… H: Save the cheerleader - save the world. P: Wait, Hiro, I don’t understand! [/QUOTE] so Peter will get a scar before he meets Hiro for the first time :eek: ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/144 "2006-10-25T20:30:30Z")
[QUOTE=Santos L Halper] I had sort of the same feeling as **Oslo Ostragoth**. When I heard about the show I thought it might be worth checking out. The first two episodes were good enough, but didn’t really excite me all that much. The episodes since, however, have made me a big fan! Hiro’s my favorite character - little things like his reaction when he found out the diner had waffles are just hilarious. The two scenes that had me gigling in comic book fanboy glee where when Future-Hiro appeared to Peter Petrelli and the moment when Nathan Petrelli hunkered down as if he was going to try to fight and suddenly shot into the sky like a rocket. 🙂 Did anyone watch the Heroes marathon NBC ran on Sunday night? At the end was a two minute “in upcoming episodes” promo ([here it is on Youtube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTiF28rQTc)). A lot of it was stuff from Monday’s show, but there were a few shots of stuff that’s still to come, such as: [spoiler]Mohinder and Pixie-neighbor girl kissing a shot of Niki’s husband with their son, and the son saying something like “I know you have a secret. Mom has a secret too” Niki _cuddling up_ with on-the-run-criminal-husband!? Flashback maybe? or is it Evil-Niki? Scary-horn-rimmed-glasses-dad saying “Hello Isaac [the Prognostipainter], we need your help.” And is that Pixie-neighbor girl standing in the background?! I’ve watched it a several times and can’t tell for sure. Psi-cop shouting “Something is happening to me too” to a guy who’s causing water to boil in a glass Nathan Petrelli saying “How fast do you think we could [something]” Sounds like either “fly” or “find him”? I’m thinking it’s “fly” because they cut to a shot of him flying when he says it[/spoiler] [/QUOTE] Did I also see Isaac rub off some paint to reveal that mystery glyph? ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/145 "2006-10-25T20:33:29Z")
[QUOTE=levdrakon] Whew. I can climb down off the ledge then. I have no problem with Hiro’s inconsistent English skills. He studied English in school but never really used it much. We know future Hiro is fluent in English. He’s studied English before but never really got to practice it but now he’s in an English speaking environment. It’s perfectly normal for his English to improve in bursts, then suddenly stumble. [/QUOTE] The preview may have included images from other future episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/146 "2006-10-25T20:38:05Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] so Peter will get a scar before he meets Hiro for the first time :eek: [/QUOTE] Not necessarily… Hiro might have come back from several years in the future, so there’s plenty of time for him to have gotten used to a scar that Peter didn’t pick up until well after Hiro meets him. However, with the way TV shows usually compress time, Peter will get the scar tomorrow, meet Hiro three days later, then Hero will be speaking fluent english and changing his look in about a month, and come back to talk to Peter just before the bomb goes off. Eh. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/147 "2006-10-25T20:44:12Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] so Peter will get a scar before he meets Hiro for the first time :eek: [/QUOTE] Damn! **Ethilrist** beat me to it, pretty much word-for-word. But I’ll add: Future Hiro is attempting to change events and deliberately mentioning the scar could be Hiro’s clever way of getting Peter to be more careful this time and not get the scar to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/148 "2006-10-25T20:48:11Z")
If Hiro had met Peter before Peter got the scar, I don’t think he would have said: You look different without the scar. It implies he’s never seen Peter without the scar until that moment. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/149 "2006-10-25T20:54:08Z")
Or he just REALLY got used to seeing him with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/150 "2006-10-25T20:54:10Z")
I’ve had a beard for the past year. I’ve been on this contract a year and a half. My boss swears she’s never seen me without a beard. If I shaved tomorrow morning, she wouldn’t recognize me right away. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/151 "2006-10-25T21:03:09Z")
Thinking about time travel is an exercise in frustration, but here’s a take on things: In James P. Hogan’s novel _Thrice Upon a Time_, some people invent a sort of radio that can send messages back in time. Since they also have the only receiver, they can send messages back to themselves. However, they find that they can get a message, but never need to send it at some later time. They theorize that the act of sending the message back creates an entire new reality at the receiving time, which is no longer connected to the timeline that sent the message. It is uncertain whether the messages are passing from one parallel universe to another (in one, the message is sent but was never received, in the other the message is received but never sent) or if there is only one universe and sending a message destroys a reality in the act of creating a different one. The receiving party never becomes the sending party, so they are often left wondering why ‘that guy’ (who is a version of themselves) decided to mess with the timeline like that. Anyway, it is possible that the reality from which Hiro came will never exist in the timeline he appeared, so the Hiro of that timeline will never need to go back and talk to Peter. Freaky, no? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/152 "2006-10-25T21:12:43Z")
So, Peter will never have a scar, and Hiro will never have a soul patch? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/153 "2006-10-25T21:21:51Z")
[QUOTE=Saltire] Thinking about time travel is an exercise in frustration [/QUOTE] From Future Imperfect “This is giving me a headache.” “Discussions of time travel have a tendency to do that.” ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/154 "2006-10-25T21:39:07Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Nathan’s father may be important history. [/QUOTE] good grief! maybe Nathan & Peter’s father is Claire’s birth father! ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/155 "2006-10-25T23:06:51Z")
According to my DVR preview guide: Claire meets her birth parents this week. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/156 "2006-10-25T23:17:23Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] good grief! maybe Nathan & Peter’s father is Claire’s birth father! [/QUOTE] Or maybe Nathan and Niki are her birth parents and after she’s born Hiro takes her to the past to be raised by Evil Dad and Pomeranian Mom? Re: Hiro calling Issac on the phone. I think he gets too excited and ends up talking too fast and in Japanese. I don’t know why he didn’t have Ando call for him, maybe he’s just being stubborn and wants to do it himself? ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/157 "2006-10-26T02:40:51Z")
[QUOTE=Terminus Est] You missed the connection between future-Hiro and Mohinder. 😉 [/QUOTE] I almost put that in, actually. I decided it wasn’t enough to warrant a line, same as Hiro crossing paths with Niki in the casino. [QUOTE=ouryL] Nathan’s father may be important history. [/QUOTE] I agree. A recap on the Patrelli brother’s late father: He battled depression then committed suicide, and he was “owned” by Linderman. I noticed a long time ago that all the heroes except Hiro have family issues, and we’ve only met mothers of only two of them (D.L.'s mother and Angela Patrelli), but no fathers. Follow me on this train of thought: Sylar is “escaped” experiment or subject. He thinks the powers are an abomination and sets out to destroy those who have powers. He hates them and he hates himself. At the same time he feels powerful, especially when he kills a mutant and consumes their power. He perhaps even knows of one particlar person with a regenerative ability from being a test subject. Claire’s adoptive father is looking for Sylar to protect Claire, but is also doing evil in other ways. In the Claire-dies chronology, Sylar consumes Claire’s ability, making him practically invinceable. Sylar creates the New York explosion in a suicidal act to destroy what he thinks is the last mutant. This assumes the “Sylar eats brains to gain power” theory is correct. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/158 "2006-10-26T02:47:08Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] good grief! maybe Nathan & Peter’s father is Claire’s birth father! [/QUOTE] Nathan’s old enough to _be_ her father. If Nathan and Peter have powers, Nathan’s kids could as well. So one thing I though of was that if Mr. Niki can slip in and out of walls and handcuffs and other matter, he can slip into Niki and kill Linderman’s goons and threaten to spike a guy in the brain with a Nine West heel Which makes the Doppel-bangage really interesting 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/159 "2006-10-26T05:53:35Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] I noticed a long time ago that all the heroes except Hiro have family issues, and we’ve only met mothers of only two of them (D.L.'s mother and Angela Patrelli), but no fathers. [/QUOTE] Haven’t we met Niki’s mother (watched Micah a couple times)? ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2006, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619/160 "2006-10-26T10:48:21Z")
[QUOTE=Slacker] Haven’t we met Niki’s mother (watched Micah a couple times)? [/QUOTE] And we have met Cheerbleeder’s mom. The Pomeranian Woman. Don’t worry, it seems like she’s a nonentity in her family’s life, just as much as the show’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/heroes-10-23-hiros-spoilers/377619.md?page=9)